scotslad Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Alright Was just wondering if anyone on here knows a bit about old vingtage type engines etc and the best place to find information, manuals or spares for them? Got an ancient lister engined mini dumper that u have to hand crank, starts like a dream and quite a handy wee thing to have. For some reason now the clutch doesn't seem to be working, it coud be the pedal needs adjusting i've still to find some time to really investigate the problem but thought i'd try and find out a bit about it first before i start taking it to bits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db135 Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 I did a full engine rebuild on a old single cylinder dumper a fuw years ago changed barrel and piston parts were easy to get a will have a look through invoices and let you know we're I got them from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 I don't know what engine it is but there is a lot of stuff for the lister marine engines on the net if you google it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db135 Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Got the filters from l&s engineering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 http://www.davidcornwallis.com/uploads/PETTER_PH1-_2_AND_PHW1-2_WORKSHOP_MANUAL.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 if you are rebuilding the engine fully......best to do your clearance twixt piston crown and head....get a full set of shims and use plasi gauge...or some flux cored soft solder....... may seem a bit of a balls doing that...but it will get your pressures right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted July 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 At the moment its more the clutch/gearbox component info i would be after and possibly info on trouble shooting. Failing that is it possible to buy a hayes type manual that would cover most older mechanical things as i imigne the princeiple will be the same and once u've done 1 most will be similar In the future i possibly would like to rebuild the engine just out of courosity as never done that before, but it allegedly has been rebuild recently althou i'm not so sure.. I bought it of an salvage auction site so was unseen and the bloke i bought it ff has told my a lot of ****e with other things, luckily i didn't pay much for it At moment the engine is the best bit about it, and that doesn't say much, she's fairly rough and rusty but it just a tool for me rather than a refurbishment, well at the moment anyway I just had a bloke re engineer the starting crank at the back as the groove was all worn and handle occasionally slipped he reckons its had a smaller engine put in it as the crank has had a bodged extension put on itto take it clear of the rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 If you can put up a few pictures of the dumper and the engine I'm sure that I can help you. If it is a lister single cylinder diesel engine it is highly likely to be a Lister LR. Square topped rocker box with an oil cap and Lister cast into it. It depends on the make of the dumper. The other common engine used on stuff like that was the Petter PH1. Dumper could be a Thwaites or Benford or Barford. Put some pictures up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Cheers fortune althou i'm even worse with computers/camera's than i am with mechanics. It is definately a single cylinder lister engine, i think it should of been a twin? or larger single cylinder on it and it does struggle going up a steep hill here even empty. I'll have a proper look and try to get some numbers of it or dumper. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Lister LR1 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) Thwaites used the petter PH1 whereas the other makes generally used a Lister LR. You might find an ID. Ser. no. plate down the side of the engine. Really do need pictures of the machine and the engine. It is easy to do. If it really is of an age it could even be a Lister LD which preceded the LR. Got to have pictures. Edited July 7, 2017 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 I remember many many moons ago using a cement mixer. The engine was single cylinder petrol, on the top of the cylinder head was a finned pot which you filled with water,would this have been a Lister or Petter fortune ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) Possibly a Lister (D) coffee pot. I have seen the finned cylinder engine but that's going way way back and I don't know which one it was. Edited July 7, 2017 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 There's quite a few Stationary Engine groups on Faceache .....lots of enthusiasts and info and resources out there to be had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted July 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 Cheers taxi but i don't really do face ache. Is there sort of forums similar to this that i can just browse throu to try and find wot i need? Got some numbers of it but couldn't find a name of the dumper itself. Engines a Lister SR air cooled 6 HP 180rpm Gearbox had 40M101 U printed onto the cast, dunno if that means much? Was sold by a T Grubb from Lancaster Like i said its the gear box/clutch that is playing up at the moment rather than the engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 (edited) Cheers taxi but i don't really do face ache. Is there sort of forums similar to this that i can just browse throu to try and find wot i need? Got some numbers of it but couldn't find a name of the dumper itself. Engines a Lister SR air cooled 6 HP 180rpm Gearbox had 40M101 U printed onto the cast, dunno if that means much? Was sold by a T Grubb from Lancaster Like i said its the gear box/clutch that is playing up at the moment rather than the engine Manual here for your gearbox maybe http://www.prm-newage.com/p23-gearboxes Edited July 8, 2017 by Luckyshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 Yes that link to the newage box looks like most of this type had. Most of the unit parts were bought in and fitted to their own frames likewise salisbury axles. What's the problem with the g box? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted July 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 Started it 2 night's ago and couldn't put it in gear, the clutch wasn't disengauing so plate always spinning, not had a chance to try adjusting the clutch pedal yet on the shaft or thought might try attaching another lever to make sure it not just the pedal slipped on the shaft. It's always jumped out of 1st gear as well, so i generally just use 2nd or reverse anytime i'm loaded, so i persume a cog is missing a tooth or something? I'm never done much major mechanical stuff like strip rebuild engines and clutches etc and thought the old dumper would be a good simple way to learn Amazing the knowledge on ths site at times :good:Cheers Luckyshot did u know that or just google the gearbox numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 those geabox's are easy peasy to mend...there is nothing to them........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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