sitsinhedges Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I have shop bought 20g subs, 30g/5s, with which you can hear the pellets hit a piece of cardboard. They are quiet but they are not much good at killing things and I recall I chrono'ed them at silly slow, something like 7-800fps. Mine are a bit noisier but kill well, don't disturb the ground too much and don't require ear protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) I have shop bought 20g subs, 30g/5s, with which you can hear the pellets hit a piece of cardboard. They are quiet but they are not much good at killing things and I recall I chrono'ed them at silly slow, something like 7-800fps. Mine are a bit noisier but kill well, don't disturb the ground too much and don't require ear protection.There you go shop bought subs ain't all there cracked up to be!I rest my case,waste of money!! IMHO. Stick with normal loads or home loads,maybe a tad noisier but kill better and cheaper to source. Edited October 27, 2017 by Bluebarrels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 So reloading the carts so they make less bang and the mod catches more of the slower expanding gases .isnt really the same as making the projectile subsonic .ie less than 1125 fps out the muzzle .it may well be sub sonic .or super. But that's not the definition of a subsonic projectile . If the cart manufacturers put on their ammo box ..low powder ,naff velocity ,wont kill past 15 yds it would be truer but who is gonna buy that brand ?? No sub sonic sounds better .but in reality it doesn't matter whether it is or isn't . A shot gun pellet traveling at sub 900 fps out the barrel is gonna struggle to kill and any sensible range . Still with blue barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 quietest ones i find in my o/u 20 hushy are gamebore and xpress,especially the 21g xpress,went to look at a mossy hush 20g,i walked away an got the guy to fire off eley sube and gamebore game carts ,no difference in noise levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Whoa there nelly. Thats not true. That's false and misleading. Seems quite a few with subsonic cart experience agree with my original post,egh cookie monster!! That subs really don't justify the extra £ lol Why would anyone buy a cart with less power which costs more,over a cheaper cart that does a better job? And minimal noise difference. Edited October 27, 2017 by Bluebarrels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 The best thing for folks to do is just shoot what you're happy with cos it's not worth the time and bother explaining to those who don't want to listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 Exactly well said . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 The best thing for folks to do is just shoot what you're happy with cos it's not worth the time and bother explaining to those who don't want to listen. Bang on sitsinhedges,BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 Drives me nuts sometimes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I have a moderated Mossy 500 410 and I have to say I cannot tell the difference between anything I shoot. The only factory subs I have fired have been Eley 3 inch. I know that the mod on the gun does reduce noise as I don't need to wear defenders when shooting. However if I am down the wood and shoot the gun my wife can hear the shot in the house 400yrds away. I have to agree with those who say the factory sub sonics are not worth the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebald Posted October 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'll just stick with my eley grand prix then! I'm on the pheasants tomorrow so I'll try call to a different gun shop and see if i can get another different brand to try and see if there's any difference out of curiosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I use Gamebore Super Competition 20ga Hushpower cartridges and the muzzle velocity is stated as 1050 fps, which is what qualifies them as subsonic. I believe there is a difference, but in some conditions, like a windy damp day on an open field, it might be hard to notice it. Around buildings and confined areas it definitely becomes more apparent IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 You guys just don't get the point. You bought a factory shell that's labelled subsonic and actually is SS. It's not misleading at all. Maybe you should buy a different brand and try that. I try new powders to get subsonic to work. The faster the better. I can save a fortune on homeload subs over factory. Why are you spending more on factory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 gamebore 20 gauge subs from just cartridges any good anybody ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 gamebore 20 gauge subs from just cartridges any good anybody ?. The ones I had were awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny tim Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 as everyone has said I got some subs when I bought the gun <o/u 20> they arnt hard hitting enough ...I just use whatever is cheapest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny tim Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 I have used subs and other cartridges<imo the subs are carp ,not hard hitting enough> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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