Gunman Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 On 12/6/2017 at 13:31, holloway said: The Yanks started using steel in the early seventies nearly 50 years of successful use, they laugh there socks off at some of our discussion threads on it .Steel is briliant and in a lot of ways much much better than lead .Keep your heads in the sand and hopefully the price will stay down (popularity may encourage some manufacturers to put prices up ) True but there are cartridges and American cartridges there is a difference . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Gunman said: True but there are cartridges and American cartridges there is a difference . i do not understand why American cartridges make any difference . What is the relevance here please?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 6 hours ago, Gunman said: True but there are cartridges and American cartridges there is a difference . Please list the differences. I feel some backpedaling coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraai Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 I still dont understand why we dont have problems overhere and we use steel since 2008... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Kraai said: I still dont understand why we dont have problems overhere and we use steel since 2008... We don't have issues here, only people who have issues are from people that don't use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Kraai said: I still dont understand why we dont have problems overhere and we use steel since 2008... We like to make problems for ourselves.. My thought is be safe , but not to worry and get on and enjoy yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraai Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 A friend of mine shoot gamebore super steel 32gr nr 4 in a gun that is not steel proof since 2008 whitout a problem or a scrath in the barrel... i think there is alot of rubbish talk about steel carts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 On 12/17/2017 at 17:17, lancer425 said: i do not understand why American cartridges make any difference . What is the relevance here please?. Go out and pay real money for some Remington or Federal's . Not the cheap budget cut to the wire stuff sold in the UK . You will see the difference , Better "brass" , heavier cases and better quality shot cups . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Gunman said: Go out and pay real money for some Remington or Federal's . Not the cheap budget cut to the wire stuff sold in the UK . You will see the difference , Better "brass" , heavier cases and better quality shot cups . Remington use type 6 cases in nitros and the black version in sportsman ammo. Sts hulls are not typical in steel nitro turkey loads did use them but not any advantage to steel loading. Remington nitros do use a green Remington wad which is well made but no more than RSI wads or even B&P wads used by Kent Gamebore Jaguar. Now federal use the maroon fed cases in the premier steel, but blue box federal is what the Americans call multi hulls, these are Chedite cases . Federal wads are versions of pattern drivers in pink blue and cream versions any TPS or . multimetal is as strong a wad as these. Sorry i do not see anything the Americans are doing which gives any added gun protection, in fact the hypersonic ammo they make is higher pressure than anything available here from a firm. our cartridge makers are playing the safe side on steel but reloaders are getting higher pressure faster steel and not getting damage if loaded on or close to pressure limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 IVE put steel carts 3Inch and 2 3/4 carts through A AYA Magnum side by side made in 1979 theres not a mark or scratch on the inside of the barrels or chambers i dont like steel personally but all this talk about damage shotguns is just bull Im sick listening to all these gun experts on videos and social media scaring shooters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Gerry78 said: IVE put steel carts 3Inch and 2 3/4 carts through A AYA Magnum side by side made in 1979 theres not a mark or scratch on the inside of the barrels or chambers i dont like steel personally but all this talk about damage shotguns is just bull Im sick listening to all these gun experts on videos and social media scaring shooters My old AYA no 3 Mag had another 2 R/L at Greylag along with 5 Widgeon 2 Teal with the Naughty Gun Wrecking steel shot cartridges which i loaded Keep knocking em down Gerry have a Merry Christmas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 6x5x55 brlliant mate this steel debate with old guns is exactly it OLD NEWS time to put it to bed MERRY CHRISTMAS MATE from the EMERALD ISLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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