Neverforget Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 Evening peeps Probs been done a thousand times but if I dont ask I will never know The wife wants to come to the clay ground so bought a 20 gauge for her , he is the snag I've decide to load my own have the gear just never loaded 20 g before , can someone advise a load and what bushes out from the lee load 2 I have please Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratass Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 have you the 20 conversion kit,if so you should have the info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 Lee bushing chart covers12 16 and your 20. https://leeprecision.com/cgi-data/instruct/LA1071.pdf Video on the lee load all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 I load 2/3 thousand a year only trouble i find is cases split so i use new ones but started to do roll turn only because got feed up of throwi g cases in bin. All the best . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 I buy new, no point for me. Primed hulls from folkestone engineering supper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, snow white said: I load 2/3 thousand a year only trouble i find is cases split so i use new ones but started to do roll turn only because got feed up of throwi g cases in bin. All the best . That is the big trouble with some 20 cases the quality is simply not there in the plastic any more, Once fired if not pin holed on the fold areas are very thin . Its a shame i would use a20 all the time for pigeons with a light steel load but cases are the killer wastage in gathered cases is higher than 12s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 I think i am going to start buying new again last time i phoned folkestone he had not got any in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 You ought to check that the clay ground permits the use of Home loads some dont just a thought all the best of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverforget Posted February 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 Is there any difference in the crimp I've done both and they formed perfectly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 I,m thinking of buying a pallet of once fired 20g from Ballistic Products USA....good cases, Winchester, Remington and Federal, If I can get some others interested, it could be viable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, pinfireman said: I,m thinking of buying a pallet of once fired 20g from Ballistic Products USA....good cases, Winchester, Remington and Federal, If I can get some others interested, it could be viable? Don't even go there. Itll be way cheaper to make your own empties. American hulls have smaller internal volume, meaning you need to buy imported American wads and find right recipes, thats if you can find the powders. Cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketestace Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 11/02/2018 at 12:46, snow white said: I think i am going to start buying new again last time i phoned folkestone he had not got any in. iv got a few fiocchi primed new cases, how many are you wanting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) Hi Cookoff, I have several thousand American wads, and will be bringing another 5000 back with me in May.......powder is no problem, I acquired quite a few tubs of Red Dot, Blue Dot, 2400 etc, when a local gunshop closed. I have approx 1500 Remington RXP cases, 1000 Blue Magic cases and about 2000 Winchester AA cases. I,ve been reloading since 1976. My machines are set up for compression cases, and I get several loads out of each case........Most Cheddite cases are rubbish. The cases I would like to bring in, in quantity, would be an assortment of gauges, particularly 20, 28 and 410. Edited February 13, 2018 by pinfireman mis-spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 pin, i can already see that your reloading is different from everyone elses, your criteria is slightly different from us euroboys. the 1000 wads for me are a non starter. you pay import tax on them. a few tubs of reddot are nice but are borderline double the cost, of a european powder. thats comparing maxam vs alliant reddot. now because the hulls are different it may be that they are economic loads (hs hulls). the cost of the final reload is often overlooked. 18grain AS, fibre wad, 32g lead could be the same or less cost than 22grain AS, fibre wad 28 gram lead, if powder costs too much. (usually the case). if lead gets 10% more expencive, may as well reload 32g all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 57 minutes ago, cookoff013 said: pin, i can already see that your reloading is different from everyone elses, your criteria is slightly different from us euroboys. the 1000 wads for me are a non starter. you pay import tax on them. a few tubs of reddot are nice but are borderline double the cost, of a european powder. thats comparing maxam vs alliant reddot. now because the hulls are different it may be that they are economic loads (hs hulls). the cost of the final reload is often overlooked. 18grain AS, fibre wad, 32g lead could be the same or less cost than 22grain AS, fibre wad 28 gram lead, if powder costs too much. (usually the case). if lead gets 10% more expencive, may as well reload 32g all the time. Exactly The economics don’t make sense, my reasons to want to load steel in 20s areto reduce powder cost and economise slightly on shot, cheap ex gamebore clay ground scrap once fired cases if not pin holed or split get the job done, but not all the loads they produce leave the hulls in a practical usable state, sure you can get a crimp anything will load a case lee load all to dillon matters nothing , these cases are Just up to surviving one loading but not in all cases some are barely worth picking up. Now12s16s they seem to be stronger and its rare not to get one proper reload with full performance, just seems to be the 20s in some gamebore lylevale loads dont fare very well. New cases cancels out any gain for steel pigeon in the 20, so i sort through all i get free build up a stock then load it but wastage is high on once fired . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 I also have european powders, and data for the same for compression (and compression type) cases. I load 10% less euro powders in these cases, than I would in Cheddite, and have submitted them to proof house in the past. All within safe pressures, and a velocity that I,m happy with. They cycle OK through the semi-auto, and have no hard recoil in my o/u,s. Currently reloading 12g at around £145 per 1,000 (less when I use the powders I bought years ago), and .410 (3") for around £125 per 1,000. I rarely load steel. None of my lead is reclaimed clay ground stuff. I found that the way to keep costs down was to buy in bulk, whenever possible, and share the cost with a couple of friends (both sadly passed away now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 thats what John and i do we get orders from a couple of mates that reload and then we order and buy in bulk saves a fortune... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 iv'e been keeping all my 20 bore game bore subsonics does any body now if they crimp o k, as I will give them to somebody in the future . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 They should do....What are you shooting, competitive clays, or pigeons? You rarely hear a pigeon complain about a ugly crimp...... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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