steve_b_wales Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Does anyone know which powders are to be banned later this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Steve, Could you amplify this, please? Banned - as in not imported - no longer made - or what?. Better hurry up and get what will probably be my last tub of Lil'Gun. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted May 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 11 hours ago, wymberley said: Steve, Could you amplify this, please? Banned - as in not imported - no longer made - or what?. Better hurry up and get what will probably be my last tub of Lil'Gun. Cheers I should have said 'banned' for EU countries, due to a chemical in the powder. It won't be imported after September 2018 I believe. I use two Hodgdon powders (H4198 & H4895) which I think are on the list. I have 2 full tubs of both, plus 1/2 tubs, so they should last me a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) Was there not a thread on this a while ago, maybe another forum.? A list I picked up then. https://www.henrykrank.com/blog/REACH-compliant-powders/ The list of powder due to be banned include the following: Hodgdon Trail Boss Retumbo H1000 H322 H335 H380 H414 H4198 H4350 H4831 H4831SC H4895 US 869 CFE BLK BL-C2 BENCHMARK SUPERFORMANCE HYBRID 100V VARGET IMR BLUE PENDING CE APPROVAL GREEN PENDING CE APPROVAL RED PENDING CE APPROVAL TARGET PENDING CE APPROVAL UNEQUAL PENDING CE APPROVAL Edited May 17, 2018 by Bazooka Joe Added Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 This is referring to REAC ('REACH' - Regulation (EC) 1907/2006 concerning the Registration, Evaluation, Authorisation, and restriction of CHemicals) limitations So, all European manufactured grades are OK - so Viht, Nitrochemie (Reload Swiss), Alliant ATK Reloder rifle grades (all made by Bofors and Nitrochemie), Ramshot (manufactured by PB Clermont in Belgium, part of the SNPE Eurenco group); SNPE, Vectan/Nobel Sport, Explosia/Lovex, B&P, Fiocchi & Cheddite are compliant. From another forum i got a list of products losing their CE certification as of 1st June next year are: All Hodgdon ADI Manufactured extruded grades (also includes two IMR branded grades - 8208 XBR and Trail Boss), so H4198 through to H1000 and Retumbo 'gone'. All General Dynamics St. Marks Powder Florida factory grades bar maybe a couple - all Winchester powders and nearly all Hodgdon 'spherical' powders are non-compliant. Hodgdon Lil Gun is compliant, and there is a question mark re the most recent introduction - H. CFE223. So, H335, BL-C(2), H414 and so-called 'Hybrid' powders made by St Marks (H100V and a few more), H. Super and Lever ... formance spherical powders will no longer be imported from the middle of next year. All 'legacy' IMR powders made by General Dynamics Canada, in Valleyfield, Quebec are non-compliant, ie the traditional grades made by the Du Pont Corporation in the USA and taken to Canada under new ownership are non-compliant. Ie IMR-4198 through to IMR-7828 and including many old favourites such as 3031, 4895, and 4064. GD Canada has introduced five new 'green' pistol / revolver grades and four rifle grades that are all REACH compliant, although not all may have been CE certified under the new standards yet. In rifle propellants, that's the new IMR 'Enduron' quartet - and I would hope that this number will be expanded but have no hard information as to whether that is a possibility. The Endurons are: IMR-4166 (H4895 / VarGet replacement); 4451 (vice IMR/H4350); 4955 (vice IMR-4831/H4831); 7977 (vice IMR-7828/H1000). 4166, 4451, and 7977 are CE certified and available now - having tried them, I'm impressed and reckon they will fill many gaps. IMR-4955 has only recently been introduced and hasn't got here yet.I am I am not clear what would happend to the other shotgun powder (IMR 800X, IMR 700X, Alliant's Powders, etc.) but am digging more and contacted few more manufacturers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicehorn Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 On 17/05/2018 at 08:30, Continental Shooter said: From another forum i got a list of products losing their CE certification as of 1st June THIS year are: IE NEXT MONTH May I be permitted to amend your text Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted May 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Update: I've just bought a tub of H4895 & H4198 @£49:50 each. I could have got it for £45/tub but would have had to add fuel costs to get it from another RFD. I bought these from a RFD who's shop I was passing. With what I already have, and already reloaded, this should last me for another two years at least, at the low rate of ammunition I get through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 On 18/05/2018 at 08:35, dicehorn said: May I be permitted to amend your text Thank you sir? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 Buy up all you can afford before the ban comes in............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagantino Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 HP -38 is going also. I used it for everything. Vectan 9.5 is it nearest equivalent and almost identical to Viht n320. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 Doesn,t anybody find it strange that all European powders are ok, but not the American powders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 Not at all.....EU is a closed market system. Sooner UK is Out - The Better..... if,,,,,,, If "our?" politicos have the cojones to opt OUT and the nous to negotiate bigger market arrangements then things may get better?? Depends on their response to DT's agenda and if our lame Westminster ducks fall in line with the Eurocracy response to the USA's trade restrictions.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) Deleted Edited June 4, 2018 by wymberley Sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 3 hours ago, wymberley said: Deleted ?? "Deleted"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 It doesn't have anything to do with politics or economy, is an environmentally based regs on the use of certain chemicals which all EU members had to adopt. As we know US are not exactly environmentally friendly these days (Kyoto treaty docet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Continental Shooter said: It doesn't have anything to do with politics or economy, is an environmentally based regs on the use of certain chemicals which all EU members had to adopt. As we know US are not exactly environmentally friendly these days (Kyoto treaty docet) How dare you come on here and state the truth ;-)....... not everything in life revolves around Brexit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jaymo said: How dare you come on here and state the truth ;-)....... not everything in life revolves around Brexit My humble apologies ? Edited June 5, 2018 by Continental Shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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