wymberley Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Is it me (I think not) or are the phospher bronze brushes whether they be branded Napier or Bisley inferior to those previously bought? The degree of compaction appears to be comparitively slack and the wire itself somewhat less firm. Anyone know where to get something decent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 I’ve always bought those PH ones, which are almost solid, if you know what I mean. Not sure we can get the others around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Thanks, Scully, I'll have a shufti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 I think possibly the actual manufacturer has changed. I have an old (brass) one from William Powell that is very tightly woven and good. I wash it out occasionally (in a little either white spirit or petrol) and always store it in a close fitting piece of water pipe (18mm copper fits a 12 bore brush) that prevents it getting crushed. I have had mine now for about 20 years and it is still used at least weekly. Brass works just as well as phosphor bronze. I bought a newer brass one (probably also from William Powell but not 100% sure) and it is a looser weave - and not as good. I have a Beretta one that came with an (expensive) Beretta kit and it is poor by comparison. I also use the fibre bristle ones to spread a smear of clean oil after the solvent cleaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Gentlemen It has become very hard to find decent Phosphor Bronze brushes of late, I know use a nylon type that seems to last forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpredder Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Maybe buy a brush intended for the next gauge up? I have a very old cheap twisted phosphor bronze brush that is too worn to do much good in a 12g, but it fits tightly in my 20g and very quickly shifts any deposits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 This is my older type Payne Gallwey brass brush with my home made cover (water pipe and a penny soldered in the end!) It needs a good clean at the moment, but is probably 30 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 But surely that is a chamber brush rather than a barrel brush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 27 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: But surely that is a chamber brush rather than a barrel brush No, it's a barrel brush. It does touch (but not much more) the chamber walls, but cleans barrels beautifully. The (similar looking) chamber brushes are larger diameter. This fits (sliding fit) in 22mm copper pipe (inside diameter 20.4 mm) as shown. Chambers are about 20.6 mm diameter. Copper pipe both protects its shape and keeps the dirty oil from getting everywhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanm Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 I always use 10 bore brushes for my 12 bores , give a tighter better fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: No, it's a barrel brush. It does touch (but not much more) the chamber walls, but cleans barrels beautifully. The (similar looking) chamber brushes are larger diameter. This fits (sliding fit) in 22mm copper pipe (inside diameter 20.4 mm) as shown. Chambers are about 20.6 mm diameter. Copper pipe both protects its shape and keeps the dirty oil from getting everywhere! Fair enough, I have a chamber brush as you describe. I also have some of the nylon brushes spare if you would like to try one. Edited September 19, 2018 by TIGHTCHOKE Syntax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 28 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Fair enough, I have a chamber brush as you describe. I also have some of the nylon brushes spare if you would like to try one. Thank you - I do have a nylon one (as pictured earlier in this thread) and also some fibre ones similar to the Payne Gallwey in my photo. I do have a brass chamber brush in this type of pattern, but it is about 25 mm in diameter. I think the nylon works better in modern chrome barrels (which clean very easily). Older steel barrels seem to need a bit more scrub - and I also use fibre cartridges which may give more leading? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) It's looking as though we've come to an end of an era. I fall into the category of John's last post so have taken a punt (delivery charge is steep) and ordered the 10 bore version. The napier site is the only place I could find these and as there is a full range apparently available have added a link. Will advise if the 10 bore over eggs the situation. I've been here before and have previously ordered the chamber version which is not up to the previous barrel version standard so fingers crossed. https://www.napieruk.com/acatalog/Payne-Galway-Chamber-Brush--17.html Edited September 19, 2018 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 These are the 'newer' pattern ones https://www.williampowell.com/gunroom/shooting-accessories/gun-care--cleaning/payne-galway-brass_gc214 which I don't think are as good as the one I photographed and is shown earlier in this thread. These are less 'dense' and looks similar to the Beretta one I have. I have a feeling that the GMK supplied ones used to be the dense type, but are now the less dense type (I note also that some sites list then at £11 or 12 showing pictures which look like the denser type, whereas others are about £7.50 and seem to show the less dense type; could this be the old and new types?) These fibre ones https://www.williampowell.com/gunroom/shooting-accessories/gun-care--cleaning/payne-galway-bristle-brush-barrel-cleaner_gc215 are very good, but for oiling/light cleaning, not removing fouling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 while looking around t'net I see what rightly or wrongly I would call a turk's Head in two flavours - brass or PB - on offer. Has anyone tried these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 I have a steel Turks head; they are very aggressive (in steel anyway) and I use it very rarely to remove leading. They look like this; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) I have a very old PB "Turks Head" somewhere, I have never had need to use something quite so extreme! I have not owned one of the steel variety! Edited September 19, 2018 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) Well, I think we've had it! I've just got the Napier 10 bore chamber (8 bore barrel) version. OK, I won't go as far as saying it slips through without touching the sides of my 12 bore, but you get my drift. Whereas the pictures supplied by John and TC are the real Turks' Heads, they're somewhat rare now-a-days and the name has often been applied to the Tornado style of brush. Fortunately, it seems Bore Tech do a phosphor bronze version of the Hoppes gunsmiths' steel one and which is available in the UK. Edited September 21, 2018 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 On 19/09/2018 at 09:22, TIGHTCHOKE said: But surely that is a chamber brush rather than a barrel brush Payne Galway do both a chamber brush and a barrel brush that look the same but one is slightly bigger than the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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