Walker570 Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 1 hour ago, humperdingle said: Are there any good online suppliers of powder, shot, primers etc? Can’t seem to find any local stockists 😞 The difficulty is in shipping costs and retrictions. Managed to pick up some #7 shot this last week on special order but still had to drive 50 miles to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandspider Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 I used Alliant 2400 for my 410 home loads. I also got a very basic hand reloading kit from an RFD, a couple of powder scoops and a hand powered RTO for a few quid. Bought a little electric scale and made some nice shells. Not quick, but it was cheap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotgcoalman Posted April 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 The few I loaded last night and tested this morning weren't subsonic. Pulled the bolt out after every shot to check it was clear and there was a lot of powder residue. All fed/fired and ejected though. back to the drawing board. reduce the powder in slight increments until I find the "sweet load" On a plus I bowled a bunnie over with 1 of the "home rolled" Using similar equipment to sandspider. I think in full production I can make 10/12 carts an hour 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted April 18, 2019 Report Share Posted April 18, 2019 2 hours ago, gotgcoalman said: The few I loaded last night and tested this morning weren't subsonic. Pulled the bolt out after every shot to check it was clear and there was a lot of powder residue. All fed/fired and ejected though. back to the drawing board. reduce the powder in slight increments until I find the "sweet load" On a plus I bowled a bunnie over with 1 of the "home rolled" Using similar equipment to sandspider. I think in full production I can make 10/12 carts an hour 👍 If you are using SP3, there is always going to be unburnt powder as it is designed to cope with 40,000psi and we are only using it at 11000psi to 12000psi. Reducing the powder will simply bring you subsonic and lower pressure, you will still have unburned powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fen tiger Posted April 19, 2019 Report Share Posted April 19, 2019 20 hours ago, Stonepark said: If you are using SP3, there is always going to be unburnt powder as it is designed to cope with 40,000psi and we are only using it at 11000psi to 12000psi. Reducing the powder will simply bring you subsonic and lower pressure, you will still have unburned powder. With Win 571 & HS7 loads in the lead days i used to use Federal 209as and compress the wad 90lbs to try and reduce some of this, it did work improving things but it did not stop it totally, with .410 its a small charge and you might be able to reduce the typical charge by a grain or so with the hotter primer this could potentially be a significant improvement with respect of the powder burn could be worth a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted April 19, 2019 Report Share Posted April 19, 2019 On 18/04/2019 at 17:11, gotgcoalman said: The few I loaded last night and tested this morning weren't subsonic. Pulled the bolt out after every shot to check it was clear and there was a lot of powder residue. All fed/fired and ejected though. back to the drawing board. reduce the powder in slight increments until I find the "sweet load" On a plus I bowled a bunnie over with 1 of the "home rolled" Using similar equipment to sandspider. I think in full production I can make 10/12 carts an hour 👍 Should be able to knock them up way faster than that.. I can do 60 an hour comfortably, but then I don't bother with used cases, so a bit of time saved on sizing and priming. But as long as you're enjoying yourself thats all that matters👍 I use FES data, but not the subsonic load. The noise level through my Hushpower is no different from an Eley 3" subsonic, but the are much more effective down range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotgcoalman Posted April 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2019 So rather than load the .8 gram I'll try the slightly smaller charge of 12 grains. New scales arrived today as I suspected the old ones had gone a bit squiffy after I sat on them. Interesting thing is the modified pat pending "Walker free dipper" does scoop a .8 powder charge with the insert I made and 19 grams of #5 with it removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 20, 2019 Report Share Posted April 20, 2019 You do know your hooked, don't you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotgcoalman Posted April 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, Walker570 said: You do know your hooked, don't you Yep. The little gun I'd always associated as being for kids is my go to now. reducing the powder to get a sub load using the wrong primers is what I'm trying to acheive. Good to know that barrel fouling is normal with Sp3👍 Getting 90lbs of pressure might be a bit hit or miss at the moment as I'm using a hand loading die "caveman style" bash it with a rock type thing at the moment. yep 10/12 an hour is pants.Although I have to de prime/size and prime by hand (using a bashing device) weigh powder,insert wadding then weigh shot and decant it in to the case.(due to a few misshaps with shot the hoover needs attention now) Then I have to go "out the back" where the pillar drill lives to do the RTO. The RTO can take 30 seconds (don't want to make a fubar after all the time spent doing the rest) I'm looking to modify one of those "clamp the black and decker" type drill presses to aid the de prime/prime and compress wad process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 20, 2019 Report Share Posted April 20, 2019 Keep your eyes peeled for a Mec 600 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotgcoalman Posted April 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2019 Do you have a spare 1? yep the Mec is the dogs danglies. Until I can source 1 that isn't silly money I'll modify stuff I have to speed production up. within a month I'm confident 15 an hour is in my grasp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 20, 2019 Report Share Posted April 20, 2019 If I see one I will give you a shout. Don't rush, that's when mistakes re made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotgcoalman Posted April 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 So tested the 12 grain loads and....... Not subsonic.🙁 Dropped powder 11.8 grain. About 1/2 grain less than the recipie on the FES websie. Loaded 3" cases with 19 g of #5 and some 2 1/2" with 15 g #5.Cx2000 primer used (couldn't get 615's) 2mm over powder,12mm cushion wad,over shot card and RTO. I'll test these tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted April 22, 2019 Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 1 hour ago, gotgcoalman said: So tested the 12 grain loads and....... Not subsonic.🙁 Dropped powder 11.8 grain. About 1/2 grain less than the recipie on the FES websie. Loaded 3" cases with 19 g of #5 and some 2 1/2" with 15 g #5.Cx2000 primer used (couldn't get 615's) 2mm over powder,12mm cushion wad,over shot card and RTO. I'll test these tomorrow. Did you chronograph the 12 grain loads? How did you know they were supersonic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotgcoalman Posted April 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 crack from the huspower when fired = in excess of 1050fps. Might only be slightly over or way over. Don't have access to specialist equipment so it's all trial and error. have a dozen or so loaded to test tomorrow @ 11.8 grains. We'll see hows these work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted April 22, 2019 Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 I think from memory, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you have popped an add on moderator on your 410, and its not the full Hushpower conversion? You might be expecting more from the moderator than it can deliver. The data you are using is a sub load with 12.3grns as published by FES. Dropping the charge might not be a sensible idea. 410's as I'm sure you are aware, are a noisy round and unless you have access to a chrono, you won't have any idea where you are going, other than staying safely with published data. I have a Baikal Hushpower, and the FES data of 15grains isn't suggested as a subsonic round. Yet, there is no discernible noise increase over an Eley sub, either from my end or the noise heard further away. I stick with this data as its extremely effective. Have you tried some Eley subs through it to compare the difference? Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotgcoalman Posted April 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 Not tried the eley subs. Yep it's the huspower add on 9" jobbie. It does quieten the eley extra long to a decent extent. Spoke to John at FES and explained the primers weren't as in his recipie. He assured me due to the sub load the gun wouldn't blow up although the primers being "hot" might take me over the 1050fps and to lower the powder charge to compensate. I'll test this load tomorrow for penetration.Can't do a pattern test (forgot to get some pound shop lining paper) You'll all be pleased to know the hoover has made a full recovery after shot "balled up in the funnel neck" and ended on the floor. *** it wont go down the tube,but the second you pull the funnel out it frees off and dumps shot all over the floor. I'm not expecting Hollywood quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 If anyone is looking for 410 hand loader... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 On 22/04/2019 at 21:20, gotgcoalman said: Not tried the eley subs. Yep it's the huspower add on 9" jobbie. It does quieten the eley extra long to a decent extent. Spoke to John at FES and explained the primers weren't as in his recipie. He assured me due to the sub load the gun wouldn't blow up although the primers being "hot" might take me over the 1050fps and to lower the powder charge to compensate. I'll test this load tomorrow for penetration.Can't do a pattern test (forgot to get some pound shop lining paper) You'll all be pleased to know the hoover has made a full recovery after shot "balled up in the funnel neck" and ended on the floor. *** it wont go down the tube,but the second you pull the funnel out it frees off and dumps shot all over the floor. I'm not expecting Hollywood quiet. I think I did mention this problem some time ago. I weigh every load on the scales and pour it in, it is a lot quicker than hoovering it all up off the floor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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