teenage gangs

[sheffieldshooter]

what is the world coming to with gangs of kids going round with guns and knives causing trouble and the law cant do anything to stop it.they need a good kicking if you ask me

[dazzyboi]

yeh, lets form a gang and kick the **** out of them

[Muddy Funker]

I tend to agree with what you say, I'm a police officer with Surrey and at the moment i'm on nights and you wouldn't believe how kids on the streets can seemingly bring a division to its knees.

I'm sure its worse because of the holidays but every 5 minutes calls were coming out on the radio about groups of youths doing this and groups of youths doing that.

I think alot of it is over reaction by the public as alot of these kids are causing no real trouble just hanging out like we all used to do when we were younger, but its so frustrating knowing that people really need our help yet units are getting tied up chasing kids from street corner to street corner all night its a joke.

I guess there's safety in numbers and if you're not part of a gang then your more of a target.

With knife crime there should be a £500 fine or something equally large to anyone in possession of a knife on the streets, if its a minor then the parents pay up, at least then it would make the parents keen to take an interest in what their kids are doing when they go outside.

Anyway rant over, good thread by the way

G.

[Wookie]

Just be wary... Remember what happened to that bloke that confronted the group of kids who were throwing litter over his car....

[JohnGalway]

Think about it from another angle. I'd imagine that these kids won't pay fines, and I would also imagine their parents either can't afford to or won't stump up themselves. Monitery penalties don't really work, if you were done for speeding which would you prefer, points affecting your insurance and possibly losing your licence etc or an on the spot fine? Thought so.

 

So, if a "kid" is caught with a knife or doing stuff they're not supposed to be send them to work. Get them doing the things no one else wants to, that they will be embaressed doing. And make damn sure they do it, in public. If you fine the parents you're not affecting the offender in the least. Lets face it, if someone is carrying a knife with intent who do they give a toss about?

 

So, target them. Get them doing soemthing so they don't have the time to be up to no good. Not wishy washy BS either. Proper work. Soft systems will work for some, but not for all. Juvenile detention institutions are basically training camps. Plus they're costly.

 

Bring back the chain gang

 

I'm not saying publicly whip them but fight fire with fire. There is a gaping lack of respect for others and their property in certain sections of western society.

 

I feel better now

[Mungler]

Yep, there is always a job that needs doing - painting, litter collecting, cleaning.... forced labour gets my vote.

 

Any person harassed by a gang ought to be allowed to get ten of their mates together and beat the **** out of the gang members one at a time - see how they like it.

 

Bring back the birch.

 

Whatever happened to a one on one punch up? All this nonsense with knives and 10 against 1, someone getting a kicking and a boot / brick going in whilst someone has been knocked out. Nasty.

[Muddy Funker]

I like the idea of getting them do all the horrific jobs but i wonder how many would turn up to do it? Alot of them have such little respect for authority they probably wouldn't do it. Locking people away is rarely the answer in my opinion unless they are gonna make prisons tough and not a lesson in sitting around doing FA all day.

Anyway i've gotta go to work now, thankfully the one officer that does keep the kids of the streets is working tonight, PC RAIN haha

[Lurch]

I like the idea of getting them do all the horrific jobs but i wonder how many would turn up to do it?

 

What if it was hard labour or a spell in the stocks?

[lurcherboy]

I tend to agree with what you say, I'm a police officer with Surrey and at the moment i'm on nights and you wouldn't believe how kids on the streets can seemingly bring a division to its knees.

I'm sure its worse because of the holidays but every 5 minutes calls were coming out on the radio about groups of youths doing this and groups of youths doing that.

I think alot of it is over reaction by the public as alot of these kids are causing no real trouble just hanging out like we all used to do when we were younger, but its so frustrating knowing that people really need our help yet units are getting tied up chasing kids from street corner to street corner all night its a joke.

I guess there's safety in numbers and if you're not part of a gang then your more of a target.

With knife crime there should be a £500 fine or something equally large to anyone in possession of a knife on the streets, if its a minor then the parents pay up, at least then it would make the parents keen to take an interest in what their kids are doing when they go outside.

Anyway rant over, good thread by the way

G.

 

 

[roadkill]

i blame the parents , how i see it is most of the kids that cause trouble are from bad familys who them there self use to be bad so i hate to think what the kids of the teenage gangs will be like ....

 

There was piece in the loughborough echo last week which said ---> 13 year old sexual assulted wait for it ... this happend at 01.00 am on the streets what the hell is a 13 year old doing out at that time

[Mungler]

Stocks is a good idea - painless but public humiliation - problem is people have no pride or sense of shame.

 

The first 10 in the stocks would all sell their stories to the papers and want a TV deal.....

[Ferret Master]

Like previously mentioned, too many people get hurt standing up to gangs. Many of the members in a gang are spineless and feel big when in a group and don't expect someone to stand up to them. Having said that you only need one to knock you to the ground before they all become hard men and get a boot in. I've had instances before where I have confronted lads both younger and older than me and in hindsight wish I hadn't. It's not always because I got a good shoeing (I have never been subjected to serious street violence) but afterwards I think what if one had pulled a knife? I might not be here now. Having said that it doesn't mean I will just stand there and look on if a bunch of lads starts on someone innocent while so called tough lads just look on or someone is taking the absolute mickey, throwing stones at passing pedestrians including old ladies.

 

It's a vicious cycle, the more people let people get away with it, the worse it will get. Just don't do anything stupid.

 

FM

[john faul]

i agree with FM good write up FM

[Lurch]

Stocks is a good idea - painless but public humiliation - problem is people have no pride or sense of shame.

 

The first 10 in the stocks would all sell their stories to the papers and want a TV deal.....

 

To these scrotes their 'rep' is everything, to be tied up nekked in the town square would be a crushing blow to their hard men status. If we could throw dog **** at them too then that would be even better.

[beatingisbest]

I think this has to be said....

 

Many groups of young people have no intention to cause any trouble or do anything anti-social, it is the small minority who ruin the reputation of all youths. People hear about trouble in towns and likely enough it is youths that cause the trouble, i cant help thinking that the press think that it is a good story due to the fact that it is so controversial. In actual fact the same thing may happen but it is an adult who is causing the trouble, the press wont print this due to how common it is. The amount of adults who cause crime compared to youths MUST be higher.

 

I also think this should be said too

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lads who Shoot, Hunt and Fish do not mug old ladies

[Mrs Sweepy]

now am no social worker nor am i a police officer.but i do in my job come in contact with these so called kids from street gangs .now like i said am not trained in dealing with these kids. but i have got to know them and what i find that if you dig deep enough you can find a decent child crying to get out .now am not naive and i do reliase that in that group of kids there is one that will be rotten right though .but the others are we going to give up on them and treat them just the same .now i and a fellow mum have been given a chance to work with some of these kids in the new year hopefully .and what we are hoping to show then is respect for themselfs ,respect for others and respect for property.we are hopeing to build a trust between as and them if you like mother figures (i think we are halfway their as they already call my colleague mum ) . now dont worry we are not being fed to the lions . and we will have the professional back up standing by . but we as mums felt this was something that we wanted to do .and if we fail we fail .but at lease we gave it a go .and even if it just one child we mangage to get though to well its been worth it . o and before you all say am just one of those do gooders who should leave it to the proper authoritys to deal with . well i was one of those kids and it was though someone showing me the time and respect and not giving up on me that has made me the person at i am today xxxx suzy

[ROBLATCH]

i blame the parents , how i see it is most of the kids that cause trouble are from bad familys who them there self use to be bad so i hate to think what the kids of the teenage gangs will be like ....

 

There was piece in the loughborough echo last week which said ---> 13 year old sexual assulted wait for it ... this happend at 01.00 am on the streets what the hell is a 13 year old doing out at that time

 

i agree.you cannot expext kids to have respect for others when their parents dont respect them.i think some kids do what they do to seek the attention they lack from their parents,so be it ,it is wrong for the act in the manner which they do but if the parents were to stance then this may be different ,but on the other hand how far has it gone now ? i think they may take some stopping

[ME]

what is the world coming to with gangs of kids going round with guns and knives causing trouble and the law cant do anything to stop it.they need a good kicking if you ask me

 

 

1) BLAME THE PARENTS - I have two boys 6 & 3 and there is no way I am allowing my kids to hang around on street corners when they are older. All parents should take an interest and help channel their kids energy into positive activities.

 

2) MORE POLICE ON THE STREETS - We had a residents meeting with the local police after trouble from gangs of youngsters. The inspector of our local police told us not to expect too much from the Police and that things could be improved if we all volunteered to become "Specials" (unpaid police). He told us that on a Saturday night in Billericay (population 40,000) there are only ever two full time police officers on duty !!! :unsure:

 

3) THE PUNISHMENT SHOULD FIT THE CRIME - I have a friend in the Met Police and he can spend in excess of 4 hours in paperwork to arrest someone, it gets to the court stage and they are either let off or get a feeble punishment. In Arab countries if you get caught stealing they would cut you hand off, I am not saying we should do that but I think humiliation is a good punishment - which leads me on to -

 

4) GIANT TREADMILLS - A friend of minds says that all criminals should be chained to giant treadmills which are linked to dynamos to generate electricity. (a totally green and harmless solution) These treadmills could occasionally be set up in city shopping centres so the public could watch and humiliate the criminal.

[ROBLATCH]

what is the world coming to with gangs of kids going round with guns and knives causing trouble and the law cant do anything to stop it.they need a good kicking if you ask me

 

 

1) BLAME THE PARENTS - I have two boys 6 & 3 and there is no way I am allowing my kids to hang around on street corners when they are older. All parents should take an interest and help channel their kids energy into positive activities.

 

2) MORE POLICE ON THE STREETS - We had a residents meeting with the local police after trouble from gangs of youngsters. The inspector of our local police told us not to expect too much from the Police and that things could be improved if we all volunteered to become "Specials" (unpaid police). He told us that on a Saturday night in Billericay (population 40,000) there are only ever two full time police officers on duty !!!

 

3) THE PUNISHMENT SHOULD FIT THE CRIME - I have a friend in the Met Police and he can spend in excess of 4 hours in paperwork to arrest someone, it gets to the court stage and they are either let off or get a feeble punishment. In Arab countries if you get caught stealing they would cut you hand off, I am not saying we should do that but I think humiliation is a good punishment - which leads me on to -

 

4) GIANT TREADMILLS - A friend of minds says that all criminals should be chained to giant treadmills which are linked to dynamos to generate electricity. (a totally green and harmless solution) These treadmills could occasionally be set up in city shopping centres so the public could watch and humiliate the criminal. :unsure:

 

i agree ,and the powerstations

[Wookie]

BiB, totally agree with your statement about our sport and its participants and, Louisvalentine, your last point is a great modern take on the classic stocks. I can see it working, but only if a council had the stones to actually do it. If just one council with a problem would do that, make it work, avoid suing, get good press and see a big reduction in crime, I think the rest of the country might follow suit.

 

Just about every town in Britain had a big shopping center and we have a need for clean energy. Pretty much every town has gangs of kids... Heh, after an hour on the treadmill, they'd be too tired to go out robbing or beating up people!

[loopy bunny blaster]

i know what your saying, around winsford theyre are loads of them that hang around causing trouble, im lucky enough to live on a farm 3m from the centre . but winsford is basically just one big council estate, i wouldn't go there at night by any means.

[sheffieldshooter]

i was no angel when i was younger and we used to hang about in gangs about 20yrs ago but the police scared the **** out of us and we had some kicking of the local people but we were never armed.music plays a big part in this problem and its allways about respect and status on your turf.

 

lets see some vigulanties in on the streets and pay them to clear the yobs

 

 

its nice to get the veiws from a serving policeman

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lads who Shoot, Hunt and Fish do not mug old ladies

[tulkyuk]

Not all of the teenagers are the same, i agree that some of these gangs of kids are just out to cause trouble, but the majority are just out having fun with thier friend,but in the main they are just bored and nned something to do. we cannot cannot group them all toghether as mindless yobs - just remember if that was the case, people would group all gun owners together and everyone of us could be seen as the next Micheal Ryan.

[Ferret Master]

Not all of the teenagers are the same, i agree that some of these gangs of kids are just out to cause trouble, but the majority are just out having fun with thier friend,but in the main they are just bored and nned something to do. we cannot cannot group them all toghether as mindless yobs - just remember if that was the case, people would group all gun owners together and everyone of us could be seen as the next Micheal Ryan.

Well said. The acts of a minority affect the majority.

 

FM

[lewis]

i think that the air gun ban is because of people in the city like children, that they make there parents cave in to geting them a gun and once theve got one they have no where to shoot, so they end up shooting each other because of this the people who have land to shoot and keep within the law are paying the cost of it.