beefman Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 Does anybody today still make and supply a manual flapper cradle along the lines of the old WAGBI(BASC) Semark, or Dead Cert design etc from the 1980's 90's? TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside1000 Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 Just done a web search for anything similar but nothing, the only one I remember was a cradle with spring loaded arms that were pulled down by a cord from a pulley at the base, and the springs then returned them to the raised position, a friend used to use two at once and had good results, I had two AA decoys turbo flappers and a very flimsy earlier version, the early one was £25 and failed due to rubbish wire frame breaking , both the turbo flappers which cost £45 each are now in the bin as both motors self destructed , I was quoted £30 each unit to refurbish them , so now I just have an old magnet that my good friend Marsh man gave me a replacement motor for, and a home made magnet from an old Ford Escort wiper motor, I just cant afford to keep renewing the expensive gear, I think I may look at developing a pull cord flapper myself, cant be that difficult to design. Anyone got any plans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) IMG_0013.MOV IMG_0013.MOV IMG_0013.MOV 11 minutes ago, lakeside1000 said: Just done a web search for anything similar but nothing, the only one I remember was a cradle with spring loaded arms that were pulled down by a cord from a pulley at the base, and the springs then returned them to the raised position, a friend used to use two at once and had good results, I had two AA decoys turbo flappers and a very flimsy earlier version, the early one was £25 and failed due to rubbish wire frame breaking , both the turbo flappers which cost £45 each are now in the bin as both motors self destructed , I was quoted £30 each unit to refurbish them , so now I just have an old magnet that my good friend Marsh man gave me a replacement motor for, and a home made magnet from an old Ford Escort wiper motor, I just cant afford to keep renewing the expensive gear, I think I may look at developing a pull cord flapper myself, cant be that difficult to design. Anyone got any plans? i made the flappers for 10 years...(draw cord)....and sold alot of them to PW'ers on here...........do a wanted post see if anyone wants to sell theirs............ IMG_0013.MOV Edited July 6, 2020 by ditchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside1000 Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 Hey Ditchman, if you have any design details of them perhaps you could put them up on here, could be useful to those who like pottering in the shed like me 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, lakeside1000 said: Hey Ditchman, if you have any design details of them perhaps you could put them up on here, could be useful to those who like pottering in the shed like me 😁 i will take a pic of the couple i have got left and post them up for you to see............ did you click on the video ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside1000 Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) sorry no, didnt see the links but I will watch them now, thanks. Yes- just viewed it, they look great, thanks Edited July 6, 2020 by lakeside1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 here you are.........took a few pics before i closed down the shed.............you would need welder silver solder MAPP gas or oxy/acty steel there are (to memory) 26 pieces.........with pike trace wire...and braided non-stretch fishing line for the pull cord.............if you are determined to go ahead and want some more views of it ...im fairly local to you come and see me........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 That looks like some sort of medieval torture machine 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) you wouldnt want to be a pigeon on it......................it would make your eyes water a bit i think "Hawkeye" has one .....he will give you the run-down on it working Edited July 6, 2020 by ditchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) One of these and still works 👍 Edited July 7, 2020 by mellors Spelling mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 that is a WAGBI approved Semark i believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 real solid build must have been heavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 14 hours ago, lakeside1000 said: Just done a web search for anything similar but nothing, the only one I remember was a cradle with spring loaded arms that were pulled down by a cord from a pulley at the base, and the springs then returned them to the raised position, a friend used to use two at once and had good results, I had two AA decoys turbo flappers and a very flimsy earlier version, the early one was £25 and failed due to rubbish wire frame breaking , both the turbo flappers which cost £45 each are now in the bin as both motors self destructed , I was quoted £30 each unit to refurbish them , so now I just have an old magnet that my good friend Marsh man gave me a replacement motor for, and a home made magnet from an old Ford Escort wiper motor, I just cant afford to keep renewing the expensive gear, I think I may look at developing a pull cord flapper myself, cant be that difficult to design. Anyone got any plans? surly you can buy motors off ebay for under a fiver each a repair would be much easyer and make a new frame out of stronger wire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, dodgy dave said: real solid build must have been heavy Useful if you've got a good walk no batteries to carry . No motors to seize up and wings to keep coming of every 5 mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, mellors said: Useful if you've got a good walk no batteries to carry . No motors to seize up and wings to keep coming of every 5 mins. you get the same problem i have then i see there is one on the for sales page now its not far from you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 55 minutes ago, dodgy dave said: you get the same problem i have then i see there is one on the for sales page now its not far from you Not the ones i have. I have 4 of a certain no5 model that burn out motors regularly. Have acquired 2 of the no6 model with the alleged bomb proof motors and low and behold the wing mounts have been turned the opposite way why i don't know. They're useless why change something that works only needed better motors fitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 for the price they charge they should be bomb proof. the price of bigger stronger motors shoud not be much more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside1000 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) I did buy a new motor on line from China, it came with a coupling and looked from the picture identical to my flapper motors , but when it arrived it was much bigger, I still have it but have not had time to do anything with it, I would have to completely redesign the flapper so probably wont bother. pull cord seems to be much easier . Thanks Ditchman for the photos, I am doing some drawings now to see if I can reproduce one, 👍 Edited July 7, 2020 by lakeside1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-6 Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) The one in Mellors pic I have, but with a green wire frame, the arms are returned by an elastic band. I probably bought it in the late 80' s, via a shooting mag. Edited July 25, 2020 by 30-6 Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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