ditchman Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 is there such a product to lay on a concrete floor before laying a vinyl carpet ontop ... i know there is "cushion floor " ...but is there a recommended underlay i could use... it will not have to deal with damp ...will be a barrier against the cold floor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 What do you mean by 'vinyl carpet'? Lino or carpet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, strimmer_13 said: What do you mean by 'vinyl carpet'? Lino or carpet? lino............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 Nairn used to make a covering for that sort of floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, ditchman said: lino............. Ah ok then, basically no then. But that's if the floor is even. 7 times out of ten I'd have to use a latex self levelling compound, and which to get really good and flat I'd sand down with a brick like tool (made out of carbon graphite, and bloody expensive and hard labour!) till I was satisfied. Self levelling is fairly cheap. Thing is vinyl will show very very quickly any imperfections underneath. Don't buy ****, thicker doesn't mean better, just make sure the actual wear layer is thicker (surface). Rhino floor used to be a good brand, the reps would hang a bit and get you to throw bean tins at it to see if you could dent/mark it. Btw the boss used to get a lot of carpet/vinyl from lifestyle floors. Rarely had any issues with their stuff. Think they were a birmingham business and not 100% sure if they deal with public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 so to get good insulation...what if i laid 1/4 ply on the floor first....cushion flooring is very expensive ..so if i did that with a mid-range lino ..??? we are not talking large areas.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swan40 Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 Have you thought about some insulation board (celotex type) then the ply . Not the cheapest option but good insulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, swan40 said: Have you thought about some insulation board (celotex type) then the ply . Not the cheapest option but good insulation. dont want to build up the layers too thick.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swan40 Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 Good old fashion hardboard is often used if you are laying vinyl on uneven floorboards so the ridges don't show but not a lot of insulation I would guess Its a problem if you can't make it to thick . The house I live in if you have a thick carpet you scape all the hair off the top of your head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, ditchman said: so to get good insulation...what if i laid 1/4 ply on the floor first Can be done but would show the joins quickly unless you spent a bit of time allowing them to acclimatise and done a good job smoothing the joins flat. Is it onto floorboards or concrete/screed? The ply thickness is spot on tbh. If its for a small area, onto screed which looks sound with no bumps, I'd be tempted to use a thin underlay like what's used for laminate fixed down hard and loose lay the vinyl on top. But I woundnt of recommended that to a customer, as for the total price and labour they might have got a better thickness - with quality- vinyl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.R. Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 The older folk, years ago, used to cover the area is layers of old newspapers before laying the lino on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 On slightly uneven wooden floor boards the norm is to put hardboard down. It would also act as a slight insulator. It is tacked to a wooden floor, so i would glue it to the concrete. Or you could always go the whole hog and put underfloor heating? I wouldn't put anything like the laminate floor underlay under lino as its compressible and when you put a chair lad or table leg on it, it would cut the lino. Hardboard joints can be filled or covered with a few layers of gaffe tape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 6mm ply ditch but normally on concrete or hard floors latex self-levelling compound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 Electric under floor heating, then latex, then vinyl,this will achieve what you are asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, vampire said: Electric under floor heating, then latex, then vinyl,this will achieve what you are asking. im not putting underfloor heating in a rental property........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, ditchman said: im not putting underfloor heating in a rental property........... If its rented, shouldn't the landlord be dealing with the lino? Edited October 11, 2020 by silver pigeon69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, silver pigeon69 said: If its rented, shouldn't the landlord be dealing with the lino? i will be looking for a long term rental property....that i can spend some money on to get how i want...and in return i will have a reduced rent......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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