pin Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Worth a watch, apparently they are going to reveal the true cost to our society.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 I hope they are not going to muddy the water with truth and facts I am also not looking forward to tomorrow already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 I have just watched it. it had some really good facts it showed that Polish people work longer hours and that the Portugese work less and are likely to be on the doll. It also mentioned on how many british born People are less willing to work, and this place in bolton said that 1 in 4 people are registered disabled most of them british born. And that is just disability allowance not jobseekers allowance. And it also showed that only 9% of British Born people have got A council house the rest are immigrants. I think that if you are on Job seekers allowance for more than six months they should have there allowance taking of them or reduced and put them into work. I know it sounds a bit harsh but dont you think they are being a bit harsh on your money that you earn knowing that it is going to these junkies to get the fixes. I believe that immigration is important but we need to limit it, and making sure there are jobs lined up for them before entering the country and by limiting the numbers each year might give our services a chance to recover. Why is it that we dont wont people from poland and other countrys now, but when we were fighting NAZI Germany we were welcoming them in to help defend our country I think we owe a lot of these people a lot of respect who's descendents help fight Germany in WW2, if it was not for them no one knows wat would of happened. dusty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 but when we were fighting NAZI Germany we were welcoming them in to help defend our country and now they want to blow it up, strange world init. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 but when we were fighting NAZI Germany we were welcoming them in to help defend our country and now they want to blow it up, strange world init. Hitler brainwashed most of his country into thinking that Germany could be great. Today you have got osama bin laden and co. brainwashing people saying that they will be made a marter if they blow things up. ie our country. If you think about it having muslims in this country could help us. They will be blowing fellow muslims up and then they will help us fight the war against terror because there will be a backlash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 The Polish workers in this country want to blow us up ?? .........come on Mark, I want to see you explain this........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Why is it that we dont wont people from poland and other countrys now, but when we were fighting NAZI Germany we were welcoming them in to help defend our country I think we owe a lot of these people a lot of respect who's descendents help fight Germany in WW2, if it was not for them no one knows wat would of happened. dusty Because we're not fighting Nazi Germany now. I also don't think they really gave a monkeys about us, we were giving them an opportunity to kick the Nazis back out of their own countries again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 ........ and then they will help us fight the war against terror because there will be a backlash. Absolutely, read Mona Siddiqui ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartridge Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Its not like nazi's its terrorists killing non-military ppl (we can sort it out easy just dont let anymore imagrints in this country ,and also they come here and claim benefits so ,i think you should have to be a british citizen to claim any kind of money off the government) who is with me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Its not like nazi's its terrorists killing non-military ppl (we can sort it out easy just dont let anymore imagrints in this country ,and also they come here and claim benefits so ,i think you should have to be a british citizen to claim any kind of money off the government) who is with me? Ohh the NAZI's did kill non military people ever heard of the london blitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russuk Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Its not like nazi's its terrorists killing non-military ppl (we can sort it out easy just dont let anymore imagrints in this country ,and also they come here and claim benefits so ,i think you should have to be a british citizen to claim any kind of money off the government) who is with me? Please, please don't ever reproduce. Footnote: This post reminded me of Moe from the Simpsons diatribe on "thems imigants". PS: Just for the fun of it, what do you class as an "imagrint" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 My mother and maternal grandparents were immigrants to the UK in 1938. My grandfather returned home and died many, many years ago and my grandmother is scattered under a tree in Hanworth. If anybody wants to meet me and discuss sending my mother home, then bring it on! You're more than welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted October 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 I think there is an important distinction that needs to be made between asylum seekers and immigrants. There was a Somali lady on the program who came here with her husband and one child, seeking asylum. They proceeded to have another 5 kids, then he ******** off to Kenya. Neither has ever worked, she is now in receipt of £33,000 in benefits for her and her numerous kids. She had the bare faced cheek to say she doesn't think it's enough money and she needs more so she can buy nice things for her kids! The worst part was the double edged sword that is the NHS. Nurses don't get paid enough, I absolutely agree, but it has to be better than being on benefits - surely? This report states that the NHS depends on immigrant workers who will work for less money and that 180,000 British born nurses will retire in the next 5 years - without the immigrant workers the NHS would be really screwed. Yet on the flip side immigrants who brought TB and AIDS into the country have directly cost nearly £70m and indirectly (through infection) nobody knows. I can't remember the exact figures but in some immigrant groups the use of primary health care services is 50% higher than British born people who equally make no contribution towards them. How can any of this be sustainable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 If you try to distill the question down to one of plain economics, its fair to comment that we probably need immigrant (not born in the UK) labour to keep this country going. This is nothing new and public transport and the Health Service are two obvious areas that benefit. Even my Dentist is Swedish. The taxes and NI paid by immigrants workers should also not be discounted, as is the money they spend in shops , on housing etc. They are not all on benefits, as recent surveys have shown. There are plenty of born in England residents that do not work, have no intention of working and will be a drain on our system from cradle to the grave. Daily Mail readers should check todays edition with the "disclosure" that most single mums on benefit don't want to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted October 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 To have it right and fair the bit that annoyed me the most was the "revelation" that the worst offenders for incapacity benefit were British born.. As part of a modern society we do have to do our bit regards asylum, we should be controlling it a lot better, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 I had to laugh at the English bloke standing on his doorstep (in Boston? sorry wasn't paying that much attention) telling it how it is in some areas "they (the English, don't forget) think this country owes them a living, they are too lazy to work or to look for work" FWIW mrs stuartp works for a large scale proterty development company that now only uses purely Polish builders with English/British charge hands and project managers. Cost wasn't the main factor, it is their willingness to work and not to ring in sick when they are most needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 I'll second that Stuart, we employ drivers and I'd have poles above Brits every time as they want and need to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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