How Far Do Deer Run After a Heart Lung Shot?

[6.5x55SE]

5 hours ago, mchughcb said:

Watch to the end and you will see a small stag against a bigger stag. Little stag does a runner after a lung shot, big stag just keeled over. Certainly a few deer around there.

 

Thank you 👍

[landowner]

Excellent video. They seem indestructible vs the fallow here in England!

[jall25]

Not sure - not really keen to be honest 

Just more ammunition for the antis really

Fair enough i have never and will never shoot one but if every animal legged it like that i dont think i would do it 

[old man]

Sensible shot placement to suit the species characteristics, pinning where applicable with suitable calibres?

[Minky]

I wonder if the time of year affects the way some animals run/or behave after shot impact. possible due to the effect of hormones.  I saw a video by Dr. Martin fackler a world renown wound specialist doctor working for the US ARMY.  He worked on the case of the FBI shootout which led to several FBI agents getting killed by two gunmen who had been  shot but not going down.  One of the gunmen was only stopped by a solid slug to the head at close range from a 12G.  Fackler showed all sorts of examples of the effects of PEOPLE that had been shot. One was sitting at a low coffee table cleaning his 45 1911.  He didn't make sure that the gun was clear and he was stone dead just there like he'd fallen asleep.  Another decided to end it and shot himself in the chest.  When the guy realised that he wasn't dead, he walked down the halĺ to use the phone to call his sister.  Eventually he bled out and that was that.  There was another guy high on drugs and I thought that he had been shot in the back with SG or similar.  Not so.  This guy had been shot right through with 48.. yes 48 223 rifle rounds before he was stopped.  There was the bloke who was shooting a 50 cal BMG. The gun fired before it was fully locked up and the handle was ripped off.  The bolt went right through his body, hit a vehicle and bounced off to embed in a dirt bank.  The guy only felt a BIG THUMP.  He survived.  On the other hand there are examples of people being impaired by all sort from snooker cue's to metal railings.  The American government spent millions and millions and eventually came up with a big bore cartridge.  The British came to the same conclusion with the 455 Wembley. So nothing is straightforward. 

I once shot a rabbit for dog food with an air rifle and the rabbit took off and ran about 150 yard across the field through a gate across a farm track and across about 25 yards of grass and then it dissapeared into a corn field.  I had watched it through the scope so I followed along with the dog.  Two paces into the corn the dog picked the rabbit.  I  knew that I had hit it through the chest front and out the back just above the haunch,  I paunched the rabbit and it was full of blood and the liver had been mushed completely.  With the amount of injury damage you wouldn't think it would go more than a yard or two.  I don't think that there is an ideal calibre or shot placement. Every one is different.  

[old man]

On 01/10/2022 at 20:26, Minky said:

I wonder if the time of year affects the way some animals run/or behave after shot impact. possible due to the effect of hormones.  I saw a video by Dr. Martin fackler a world renown wound specialist doctor working for the US ARMY.  He worked on the case of the FBI shootout which led to several FBI agents getting killed by two gunmen who had been  shot but not going down.  One of the gunmen was only stopped by a solid slug to the head at close range from a 12G.  Fackler showed all sorts of examples of the effects of PEOPLE that had been shot. One was sitting at a low coffee table cleaning his 45 1911.  He didn't make sure that the gun was clear and he was stone dead just there like he'd fallen asleep.  Another decided to end it and shot himself in the chest.  When the guy realised that he wasn't dead, he walked down the halĺ to use the phone to call his sister.  Eventually he bled out and that was that.  There was another guy high on drugs and I thought that he had been shot in the back with SG or similar.  Not so.  This guy had been shot right through with 48.. yes 48 223 rifle rounds before he was stopped.  There was the bloke who was shooting a 50 cal BMG. The gun fired before it was fully locked up and the handle was ripped off.  The bolt went right through his body, hit a vehicle and bounced off to embed in a dirt bank.  The guy only felt a BIG THUMP.  He survived.  On the other hand there are examples of people being impaired by all sort from snooker cue's to metal railings.  The American government spent millions and millions and eventually came up with a big bore cartridge.  The British came to the same conclusion with the 455 Wembley. So nothing is straightforward. 

I once shot a rabbit for dog food with an air rifle and the rabbit took off and ran about 150 yard across the field through a gate across a farm track and across about 25 yards of grass and then it dissapeared into a corn field.  I had watched it through the scope so I followed along with the dog.  Two paces into the corn the dog picked the rabbit.  I  knew that I had hit it through the chest front and out the back just above the haunch,  I paunched the rabbit and it was full of blood and the liver had been mushed completely.  With the amount of injury damage you wouldn't think it would go more than a yard or two.  I don't think that there is an ideal calibre or shot placement. Every one is different.  

IMHO, pretty sure that the fight/flight responses differ significantly between humans and animals anyway?

[Minky]

4 hours ago, old man said:

IMHO, pretty sure that the fight/flight responses differ significantly between humans and animals anyway?

 Yes i'd agree with that.  My spaniel ploughs into stuff and doesn't even flinch.   Fackler was illustrating how different the effect of being shot was between different people in different circumstances.  Some were just accidents and other examples were as a result of being high on drugs or religious fervour.  If I remember correctly the British army officers used a 36 cal Adams revolver in India.  An officer emptied his revolver into a charging Indian soldier who struck the officer a vertical blow with a sword.  The officer was split asunder and killed.  After this they went to the 455 Wembley with a soft lead bullet that was known as a man stopper.  This was standard issue up into the first world war when it was thought to be too much of a gun for a lot of the people to use in the conditions.  This is exactly what the Americans found when they'd spent tens of millions of dollars developing the S&W 10mm only to find out that the majority of men and virtually all the women couldn't handle it. Effective though it was.

[NoBodyImportant]

I have gut shot deer that fell in there tracks and I cut them in half on the highway with my truck and they ran half a mile dragging their back legs and intestines behind them.