A good use of police resources ?

[discobob]

6 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Scandalous. Report it, I'm sure some rag news paper would take the story.

it is well known in the area - I did discuss it with our previous councillor for our Ward and he just said it has been commented on numerous times - there is an industrial estate at the end of the road - but that is served off a Major Trunk Road and traffic can use that route

This retired councillor obviously knows where the bodies are buried....

[manthing]

So they are closing the ford and the police are there to stop people using a road and injuring themselves or others. Shouldn't we just close all roads then? Because people are injured and killed on uk roads most days.

[12gauge82]

13 hours ago, Jaymo said:

I hadn’t actually watched the video posted above. 
Have just done so and couldn’t watch in its entirety. As soon as I saw ‘audit’ I knew it was one of those people who are determined to illicit a response from whoever their are filming by claiming to be ‘auditing’ and using their internet gleaned legal knowledge, to be ******. 
 

Why would you deliberately film a Police station of suchlike in the hope of some ‘negative’ interaction? Doesn’t matter if you are ‘legally’ entitled to film in public places, it’s just not right too. 
 

Not sure they would appreciate me ‘auditing’ outside their house🤔

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[steve s×s]

On 06/12/2022 at 00:38, loriusgarrulus said:

I can remember walking across the bridge on Rufford ford and getting soaked even at that height because a car went through the ford too fast. Spent many happy hours fishing downstream from the ford as a youngster. Regularly used to see a kingfisher while fishing. 

A lot of Cuckoo's there now me thinks 

[Rewulf]

On 06/12/2022 at 07:53, Jaymo said:

I hadn’t actually watched the video posted above. 
Have just done so and couldn’t watch in its entirety. As soon as I saw ‘audit’ I knew it was one of those people who are determined to illicit a response from whoever their are filming by claiming to be ‘auditing’ and using their internet gleaned legal knowledge, to be ******. 
 

Why would you deliberately film a Police station of suchlike in the hope of some ‘negative’ interaction? Doesn’t matter if you are ‘legally’ entitled to film in public places, it’s just not right too. 
 

Not sure they would appreciate me ‘auditing’ outside their house🤔

Its true some auditors do seem to want to cause trouble, the more aggro they can create , their Youtube hits go up , and the better chance of earning money from that , or by legal claims when the police exceed their powers, and arrest , detain or assault the auditor.

However, the highlighted above is the crux of the matter , and any auditor who is not a complete door handle will strive to highlight, where the police do this , or demonstrate a woeful grasp of the law, this also extends to private security guards, and site/office managers.

To say its 'not right' to film in public places is a strange one , as WE are constantly monitored by CCTV, bodycams ect, the law is stringent when it comes to GDPR on this .

 

Edited December 7, 2022 by Rewulf

[Rewulf]

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

when the police exceed their powers, and arrest , detain or assault the auditor.

 

[Jaymo]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Its true some auditors do seem to want to cause trouble, the more aggro they can create , their Youtube hits go up , and the better chance of earning money from that , or by legal claims when the police exceed their powers, and arrest , detain or assault the auditor.

However, the highlighted above is the crux of the matter , and any auditor who is not a complete door handle will strive to highlight, where the police do this , or demonstrate a woeful grasp of the law, this also extends to private security guards, and site/office managers.

To say its 'not right' to film in public places is a strange one , as WE are constantly monitored by CCTV, bodycams ect, the law is stringent when it comes to GDPR on this .

 

There is discreet cctv in public places, then there is some **** in your face pushing for confrontation. 
 

Who appointed these people to ‘audit’ society? Self appointment smacks of something lacking in one’s life! A job maybe? 

[Rewulf]

20 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

Who appointed these people to ‘audit’ society? Self appointment smacks of something lacking in one’s life! A job maybe? 

I agree , the whole 'audit' thing is stupid, and no one asked for it , because no one thought we needed it.

The problem is these days , you put a uniform on someone , a cop , a shopping centre security guard, and SOME of them become a power crazed tyrant, demanding your name and address because you took a photo, and 'They didnt like it' 
Obviously ramming a camera in someones face is bang out of order, but most of them use the same type of body cams the police use.

Ill be honest , Ive only recently took an interest in this type of thing, and Ive found it bizarre how some react, and it is some , because for the most part , pplice and security  ignore it , as they know that no crimes are being committed.
Others, who are on an obvious power trip, use any opportunity to flex.
The sec 43 of the terrorism act , that many of them were running foul of when videoing a police station , has had a memo issued from the police to counteract all the illegal arrests and detainments it caused, as in , hostile recon MUST be covert to qualify, yet many forces are completely ignoring the directive, and still arresting people for taking photos and video , from public areas, of police stations and government buildings.
Many of them are using drones , again perfectly legally , and are also being arrested for doing nothing wrong.

What it comes down to , is if the people we trust to enforce and uphold the law, dont even KNOW  the law, how are they going to do their job properly , and above all , fairly.

Unlike this (ex) police inspector , who knew full well this 16 year was auditing , but decided to teach the 'little internet freak' a lesson, while arresting him for terrorism.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/dean-gittoes-inspector-assault-merthyr-25365138

[Rem260]

4 hours ago, Rewulf said:

 

I find it suspicious that this guy is filming at the right time when approached by the police Sgt. Does he walk around filming every where he goes (work/shops/bars/toilets). I wonder who phoned in the report of the man with an axe. You can see other members of the public in the park. It just so happens he matches the description given to police? 

The initial stop and search was correct. However it went to far when his pockets where searched. The Sgt was looking for an axe and nothing else. That's where the search and detention should have stopped

[Rewulf]

5 minutes ago, Rem260 said:

I find it suspicious that this guy is filming at the right time when approached by the police Sgt. Does he walk around filming every where he goes (work/shops/bars/toilets). I wonder who phoned in the report of the man with an axe. You can see other members of the public in the park. It just so happens he matches the description given to police? 

Valid points, first off , hes an auditor, he films stuff for his Youtube channel, this particular one seems a little of the confrontational sort.

Secondly , was the report of the 'axe' , actually his drone ? Or did he set the whole thing up to make a video, by making the call himself ?

11 minutes ago, Rem260 said:

The initial stop and search was correct. However it went to far when his pockets where searched. The Sgt was looking for an axe and nothing else. That's where the search and detention should have stopped

Mmmm, if you were walking through a park minding your own business, and you were stopped, detained , handcuffed and searched, because you matched a description, would you be happy about that ?
This reinforces the whole 'power' aspect of what auditors are trying to show.

Imagine it happened to you a couple of times a day, would it be the police just doing their job , or an abuse of power ?

[Rem260]

32 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Valid points, first off , hes an auditor, he films stuff for his Youtube channel, this particular one seems a little of the confrontational sort.

Secondly , was the report of the 'axe' , actually his drone ? Or did he set the whole thing up to make a video, by making the call himself ?

Mmmm, if you were walking through a park minding your own business, and you were stopped, detained , handcuffed and searched, because you matched a description, would you be happy about that ?
This reinforces the whole 'power' aspect of what auditors are trying to show.

Imagine it happened to you a couple of times a day, would it be the police just doing their job , or an abuse of power ?

Mmm. You're walking through a park with your loved one. You see a man walk past 2 police officers and upon getting to you he pulls out an axe from under his jacket and hacks your loved one to death. You find out the police where there following a report of a man matching your attackers description with an axe. You approach them and ask why they hadn't stopped and searched the attacker. They reply

Mmmm, if you were walking through a park minding your own business, and you were stopped, detained , handcuffed and searched, because you matched a description, would you be happy about that ?

Edited December 7, 2022 by Rem260

[Rewulf]

23 minutes ago, Rem260 said:

Mmm. You're walking through a park with your loved one. You see a man walk past 2 police officers and upon getting to you he pulls out an axe from under his jacket and hacks your loved one to death. You find out the police where there following a report of a man matching your attackers description with an axe. You approach them and ask why they hadn't stopped and searched the attacker. They reply

They reply , Sorry we didnt search him because he was -insert racial or LGBTQ+ minority here-   Or not, probably ?

But seriously, is that where we are ?
A police state , just in case there are bad people about ?

Like I said , its all very well saying the police need to stretch their powers legs every now and again, until it happens to you.

[rbrowning2]

from what he said to the constable both him and the constable arrived at the park at almost the same time, yet after searching him they looked to then be leaving the park heading back to the parked police vehicles, why after a negative search on him did they appear not continue into the park to continue the search?  

Not a nice experience for him, but i can understand why they handcuffed him to remove any potential threat until positive confirmation he had no axe. Just the world we live in now.

[Rewulf]

35 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said:

Not a nice experience for him, but i can understand why they handcuffed him to remove any potential threat until positive confirmation he had no axe. Just the world we live in now.

You can never be too careful 

 

[Rem260]

55 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

They reply , Sorry we didnt search him because he was -insert racial or LGBTQ+ minority here-   Or not, probably ?

But seriously, is that where we are ?
A police state , just in case there are bad people about ?

Like I said , its all very well saying the police need to stretch their powers legs every now and again, until it happens to you.

 

1 hour ago, Rem260 said:

Mmm. You're walking through a park with your loved one. You see a man walk past 2 police officers and upon getting to you he pulls out an axe from under his jacket and hacks your loved one to death. You find out the police where there following a report of a man matching your attackers description with an axe. You approach them and ask why they hadn't stopped and searched the attacker. They reply

Mmmm, if you were walking through a park minding your own business, and you were stopped, detained , handcuffed and searched, because you matched a description, would you be happy about that ?

So are you happy with the said responses. I can't make out whether your happy or not. For your loved one to be hacked to death rather than impinge on someone's liberty for a couple of minutes.

[12gauge82]

My view is somewhere in the middle. 

Although I believe these so called 'auditors' are self important, smug, nuisances, who actually create risk by muddying the waters, making it difficult to differentiate between a clown with a camera and a genuine security threat. 

I also believe 'auditors' only exist due to the police loosing the confidence and respect of the public. They need to go back to detecting and preventing crime and catching criminals, instead of dancing with multi colour laces at pride events and threatening people for 'non crime incidents'. They clearly have the wrong priorities, are being led in the wrong direction by politicians and senior management and are employing the wrong people for the job. 

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, Rem260 said:

 

So are you happy with the said responses. I can't make out whether your happy or not. For your loved one to be hacked to death rather than impinge on someone's liberty for a couple of minutes.

So let's be clear, if the police are allowed to abuse their powers at will, then violent crime will cease to exist?