Saying bye to an old friend

[Agriv8]

So the first gun I ever shot over 40 years ago turns out should be a section 1 firearm.

now I understand that it’s removal mag means that it needs to be passed to my RFD and onto a new life and very likley melted down but my dads gun can not be kept by me anymore so I said goodbye and passed to my rfd on the way home !

Good-bye old friend rules is rules and a shame that I can’t pass you on to the next generation of Agriv8’s but at over 80 years old maybe it’s time to say goodbye 

Regards 

Agriv8

[wisdom]

That's such a shame.Is it by any chance a Marlin goose gun.Or the mossberg equivalent (looking at the choke system).

Either way it's a shame another generation couldn't enjoy the fun you had.And your father's too.It has a place in family history.

Edited February 26, 2023 by wisdom
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[ant1]

a friend of mine asked me to tidy his 410 shotgun  2 year ago. bought it over to me and it was a norica 410 3 shot, so took the stock off and it just had a screw holding the mag in place. did all the work on the gun and when he came to collect it i asked him if he had it on a shotgun or firearm cert as i thought it might be  section 1 . he said it has always been on his shotgun licence. he has since given up shooting and not renewed cert. handed  his shotgun in to police for destruction. i still wonder if it was section 1 or section 2 my hunch was section 1. told him he could remove the screw and tack weld the mag in place so it couldn't be removed

Edited February 26, 2023 by ant1

[ant1]

who told you it was section 1 agriv8

[oneshot1979]

Oh man, how'd you manage to keep that on a shotgun cert for so long ?.

Of the two guns I grew up with on the farm my favourite was my father's Mossberg, AKA The fox cannon. I remember the day of his first renewal visit since the changes imposed after Hungerford, the FLO informed him that it was now classed as a firearm and he would have to surrender it immediately, his options where to weld the mag in permanently, sell it or apply for his firearms license. Unwilling to butcher it, and reluctant to sell it he applied for his license and kept it.

When we went to collect it from the local station he checked it over, removed and pocketed the mag and bolt then handed it to me, then with it propped over my shoulder (no slip) I was proudly marched back through town to the truck.

[Agriv8]

Thanks guys - 

it’s been checked over by 3 fao while on my license and multiple times when on both mine and my dads .

the fao who did my last inspection first words were it’s an old mosberg ! Does it have a removable mag ?

my reply yes a two shot just like my semi auto- ahh but it’s removable so you could put a 10 shot mag in !

it’s a shame a the internal barrel is a bright as s button- and has always been the gun to take out In fowl weather ( very little to go wrong ! ) 

my rfd will see if there is any interest in auction but my real quandary was that ir hot discovered while I was applying for my FAC ! 
 

The section 1 rules of having a use to retain means it’s no longer back I. My cabinet tonight!

Agriv8

[Agriv8]

4 minutes ago, oneshot1979 said:

Oh man, how'd you manage to keep that on a shotgun cert for so long ?.

Of the two guns I grew up with on the farm my favourite was my father's Mossberg, AKA The fox cannon. I remember the day of his first renewal visit since the changes imposed after Hungerford, the FLO informed him that it was now classed as a firearm and he would have to surrender it immediately, his options where to weld the mag in permanently, sell it or apply for his firearms license. Unwilling to butcher it, and reluctant to sell it he applied for his license and kept it.

When we went to collect it from the local station he checked it over, removed and pocketed the mag and bolt then handed it to me, then with it propped over my shoulder (no slip) I was proudly marched back through town to the truck.

Yep my dad has dispatched many fox and many many  rats !  My dad bought it new with his first wage working for the farm next door . The farmer had a number of hen coops so sat on fox and rat patrol with his terrier. I will have to ask him how much he got for a rat tail and how much he got for a fox!

we have to stick by the rules and even though I doubt you can get a magazine for this old girl butchering her to get her back on section 2 does not seem right.

like a lot of things she just ain’t politically correct any longer!

Agriv8 

1 hour ago, wisdom said:

That's such a shame.Is it by any chance a Marlin goose gun.Or the mossberg equivalent (looking at the choke system).

Either way it's a shame another generation couldn't enjoy the fun you had.And your father's too.It has a place in family history.

Yes mosberg wildfowl/ goose old 3 & 1/4 chambered and built like a brick out house !

Agriv8

[ant1]

37 minutes ago, Agriv8 said:

Thanks guys - 

it’s been checked over by 3 fao while on my license and multiple times when on both mine and my dads .

the fao who did my last inspection first words were it’s an old mosberg ! Does it have a removable mag ?

my reply yes a two shot just like my semi auto- ahh but it’s removable so you could put a 10 shot mag in !

it’s a shame a the internal barrel is a bright as s button- and has always been the gun to take out In fowl weather ( very little to go wrong ! ) 

my rfd will see if there is any interest in auction but my real quandary was that ir hot discovered while I was applying for my FAC ! 
 

The section 1 rules of having a use to retain means it’s no longer back I. My cabinet tonight!

Agriv8

ask if you could weld the mag in place so it could not be removed and be kept on your section 2 where its always been.

[oneshot1979]

I still have dad's, I lost him too early, cancer. When the FLO came to take his Mossberg we were still grieving, the loss still raw, I was in my teens and suddenly the man of the house, as I stood there in the kitchen handing it over to him I was on the verge of breaking, looking past him at my father's empty chair with his boots still tucked beneath it. I was losing another piece of him. It was the same FLO we'd always had, the same that had watched me as a boy proudly march out the station when it'd been confiscated before, the same man that had granted me my shotgun certificate once I'd come of age, he was kind, patient, waited for me to hand it over rather than reach out and take it, he checked it over, looked back up at me, back at the gun, looked at my mother, then left the kitchen, I watched him take it out to his car and then return with his case. Placing his case on the kitchen table he spoke "We have some paperwork to do young man" and started to lower himself into my dad's chair, he stopped himself short, stood upright again and moved to the other side of the table, "you'd better sit there from now on", settling him self down he proceeded to lay out his paperwork, "this is a receipt for the firearm young man, sign here" and I numbly I did so, "now let's go through this one together" and he slid a small sheaf of papers to me, "this will be your your first firearms application, and your awful young so we need to get it right"......

I had the same FLO for nearly twenty years before he retired yet I've never felt like I could thank him enough for the kindness he showed me, my young daughters are shooting now, one day they'll get to experience the Mossberg, one day it'll be  theirs.

[Agriv8]

I think that the emotional bit dads still with us and my youngest now wanders slowly down with grandad to flank in on the very small family shoot we are involved with. I know one season he ain’t going to be with us anymore.

I will have a chat with my rfd about making the mag non removable but believe this would require a trip to proof house and possibly cost 3 or 4 times the value of the mossberg 
 

I suppose getting it butchered is better than it going in the scrap bucket thanks oneshot1979 for the words I think you have made me think that sometimes it’s not the really about the cost  but a reminder of the time I was handed it bolt removed from the back of a mk2 cortina  a few cartridges In My pocket on keepers day the mossberg was probably nearly as big as me ! usually stood with my grandfather keeping a close eye on me and as most of we were taught the do and the donts ! The words to ensure it was always pointed to clear sky when the bolt was in ! my grandad would say though teeth gripped round his smouldering pipe ! We Allways had a shot at a squirrel drey or something after the end of the drive to get me used to the recoil ! And see how may feet I was off target !

think I have to at least try and get this back to section 2 and back with me!

Agriv8

 

Edited February 27, 2023 by Agriv8

[arjimlad]

@oneshot1979that brought a tear to my eye, what a kind FEO. @Agriv8 sounds like you might regret not spending the money to get the mag welded in place & proof marked.  Maybe worth asking the proof house what they charge to inspect it & stamp it. My Dad had a Beretta semi auto restricted to 2 in the magazine in 1987 & it had to be stamped by the proof authority. I think the RFD probably took a job lot up to the proof house in one go. Good luck! 

[Agriv8]

Rfd investigation into options has started and was far from a down right no after sleeping on this the conversion back to sec2 is only viable option if my lads are going to shoot the cannon one day.

will keep you all updated and thanks for the kind words I guess I am not the only sentimental old **** on here.

Ps 5 out of 6 clays means I can still shoot with the old lass !

atb Agriv8 

[enfieldspares]

The Norica as with any gun that would have to have the stock removed to then remove the magazine would not be s1. It would be, as indeed it is, s2. The Marlin Goose Gun as the magazine can be removed merely by pushing on a catch, lever or button would be, as it is, s1. The Marlin can easily be converted to s2 by welding or, less easily, by drilling and pinning. But it will then need a Magazine Restriction Certificate issued by a Proof House, either London or Birmingham. 

These are 2019 prices:

https://www.gunmakers.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/LPH-Prices-2019.pdf

Now the cost is £29 IF LEFT THERE yet there is a "minimum charge" of £40. Still it's easy to find the Proof House. It'll be the only building in the are that files the Jolly Roger pirates' flag outside. Bloomin' rip off!

Takes but minutes to certify a magazine restriction yet it's £29? But as said as a one off it's £40 minimum or for a walk in £39!

Compared to the time, the need for two men, the specialist equipment: the ramp, the rolling road, the headlamp alignment set and the air quality emission system and etc., and the cost of a walk in one off for MoT Test? Bloomin' rip off! Scandalous!

Edited February 27, 2023 by enfieldspares

[eddoakley]

19 hours ago, Agriv8 said:

Rfd investigation into options has started and was far from a down right no after sleeping on this the conversion back to sec2 is only viable option if my lads are going to shoot the cannon one day.

will keep you all updated and thanks for the kind words I guess I am not the only sentimental old **** on here.

Ps 5 out of 6 clays means I can still shoot with the old lass !

atb Agriv8 

The right result!

I've done/had done a few. The work is minimal and as said the cost of sending is more.

But whatever it costs I can't imagine you would ever regret it, its only money. Not doing it and letting it go is something that you can't undo.

 

Hope you update this when it's back with you.

 

Edd