getthegat Posted October 5 Report Share Posted October 5 Hi all, I'm sure this has been covered before, but what is the law/license required for shooting Canada Geese that are feeding on stubble and newly sewn seed? The farmer wants them "discouraged " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted October 5 Report Share Posted October 5 Pest species as I’m aware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted October 5 Report Share Posted October 5 Currently in season, so you can shoot them where you have permission without concerning yourself with the General Licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 5 Report Share Posted October 5 16 minutes ago, Pushandpull said: Currently in season, so you can shoot them where you have permission without concerning yourself with the General Licence. This^^^ And non toxic shot, unless you use a rifle that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 5 Report Share Posted October 5 Why have you put in the Wood Pigeon Shooting Section? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted October 5 Report Share Posted October 5 1 hour ago, Pushandpull said: Currently in season, so you can shoot them where you have permission without concerning yourself with the General Licence. Correct and a little detail many seem not want read or understand is from 1st September till January 31st they are covered by the Wildfowl act eg NO use of FAC Shotguns but from 1st February to 31 August they can shot under a General License Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 5 Report Share Posted October 5 52 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Why have you put in the Wood Pigeon Shooting Section? Mistake maybe??….or he’s bit of a devil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getthegat Posted October 5 Author Report Share Posted October 5 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Why have you put in the Wood Pigeon Shooting Section? Ok, thought Talk from the Field would be fine, as these Canada's are on farm land and nowhere near the foreshore. Guess Wildfowl section may have been better 1 hour ago, old'un said: This^^^ And non toxic shot, unless you use a rifle that is. So will I need steel shot, even though it's not on the foreshore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCB56 Posted October 5 Report Share Posted October 5 All wildfow shot anywhere in England must be shot using non toxic shot. But I thought the object was to kill them quickly and not poison them to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 5 Report Share Posted October 5 36 minutes ago, getthegat said: Ok, thought Talk from the Field would be fine, as these Canada's are on farm land and nowhere near the foreshore. Guess Wildfowl section may have been better So will I need steel shot, even though it's not on the foreshore? Yep, any non toxic shot in a shotgun or lead from a rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchrat Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 16 hours ago, old'un said: Yep, any non toxic shot in a shotgun or lead from a rifle. Lead from a rifle is OK?? Where's the sense it that - Oh silly me, expecting the Laws to be sensible! You can shoot a rabbit/rat/pigeon over the foreshore with lead but not a duck over farmland or woodland. If you trap 2 Canada geese at once you can't release them (invasive species) so you can kill, humanly but not allowed to kill the 1st one in front of the 2nd one and not with lead shot. So, if you don't have non-toxic (or a rifle) and the gun shops are shut, what do you do? Take the 1st goose out of sight of the 2nd and ring it's neck, humanly - have you ever tried to ring a goose's neck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 Most foreshore areas are designated SSSI or similar and lead shot can not be used. Many clubs ban even carrying lead. Breaking the neck of a goose is simple and quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 32 minutes ago, kitchrat said: Lead from a rifle is OK?? Where's the sense it that - Oh silly me, expecting the Laws to be sensible! You can shoot a rabbit/rat/pigeon over the foreshore with lead but not a duck over farmland or woodland. If you trap 2 Canada geese at once you can't release them (invasive species) so you can kill, humanly but not allowed to kill the 1st one in front of the 2nd one and not with lead shot. So, if you don't have non-toxic (or a rifle) and the gun shops are shut, what do you do? Take the 1st goose out of sight of the 2nd and ring it's neck, humanly - have you ever tried to ring a goose's neck? Think its to-do with projectile size, obviously a bullet is bigger than lead shot from a shotgun cartridge and is less likely to-be ingested by birds, bit like fishermen are not allowed to use lead shot above 0.06g or lead weights below 1oz. The reason for a blanket ban on lead shot for wildfowl was the loophole of saying (if stopped) the wildfowl were shot inland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 Not a "loophole" really. Most wildfowl are shot inland, and they are more likely to pick up spent shot from inland waters where it will be more concentrated and will not be subject to continuous sedimentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Pushandpull said: Not a "loophole" really. Most wildfowl are shot inland, and they are more likely to pick up spent shot from inland waters where it will be more concentrated and will not be subject to continuous sedimentation. so why did they not just ban lead shot for inland shooting? I would think most of the shot falls on farm land when shooting inland flight ponds Edited October 6 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 PM coming on this which may inform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 And another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchrat Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 6 hours ago, Pushandpull said: Most foreshore areas are designated SSSI or similar and lead shot can not be used. Many clubs ban even carrying lead. Breaking the neck of a goose is simple and quick. Simple? OK, I've not got the knack. I have to resort to shooting them stone dead with tungsten! 5 hours ago, Pushandpull said: Not a "loophole" really. Most wildfowl are shot inland, and they are more likely to pick up spent shot from inland waters where it will be more concentrated and will not be subject to continuous sedimentation. I'm happy to accept that we shouldn't use lead shot over water or wetlands inshore (but you can if it's not at wildfowl!!??) but in woodland for example? For once, the Scots seems to be way smarter.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getthegat Posted October 6 Author Report Share Posted October 6 7 hours ago, kitchrat said: Lead from a rifle is OK?? Where's the sense it that - Oh silly me, expecting the Laws to be sensible! You can shoot a rabbit/rat/pigeon over the foreshore with lead but not a duck over farmland or woodland. If you trap 2 Canada geese at once you can't release them (invasive species) so you can kill, humanly but not allowed to kill the 1st one in front of the 2nd one and not with lead shot. So, if you don't have non-toxic (or a rifle) and the gun shops are shut, what do you do? Take the 1st goose out of sight of the 2nd and ring it's neck, humanly - have you ever tried to ring a goose's neck? Very good 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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