jall25 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 Interesting Mark has allegedly stepped down from wild justice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, jall25 said: Interesting Mark has allegedly stepped down from wild justice Good, I wonder what other pointless stuff he will get up to now? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jan/23/environmental-campaigner-mark-avery-stepping-back-wild-justice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted January 24 Author Report Share Posted January 24 Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said: Good, I wonder what other pointless stuff he will get up to now? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jan/23/environmental-campaigner-mark-avery-stepping-back-wild-justice Yes - such enthusiasm - but sadly in my opinion so so misguided Be lovely if the other 2 chuck it in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 If only shooting had a voice which was so vocal, active, ‘out there’ and willing to openly campaign and challenge in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted January 24 Author Report Share Posted January 24 6 minutes ago, Scully said: If only shooting had a voice which was so vocal, active, ‘out there’ and willing to openly campaign and challenge in court. Totally totally agree ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 I had several arguments with MA on his blog, a very arrogant man surrounded with sycophants, good riddance, Im wondering if at last he has listened to the science regarding moorland management and has decided to stop talking **** and leave wj before they are exposed as fools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, islandgun said: I had several arguments with MA on his blog, a very arrogant man surrounded with sycophants, good riddance, Im wondering if at last he has listened to the science regarding moorland management and has decided to stop talking **** and leave wj before they are exposed as fools. Or possible doesn't want to be tarnished by the increasingly deranged Packham brush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, islandgun said: I had several arguments with MA on his blog, a very arrogant man surrounded with sycophants, good riddance, Im wondering if at last he has listened to the science regarding moorland management and has decided to stop talking **** and leave wj before they are exposed as fools. I enrolled in his blog for some time a couple of years or so ago, after he criticised Dave (?) Carries daughter for stating that she had no qualms about feeding her children lead shot meat. My arguments were based on the freedoms of choice, against which he didn’t really have an argument as he agreed he had no right to dictate what people should and shouldn’t eat. We got on ok to be honest; he wasn’t as rabid as I’d expected but the methods by which his blog was/is operated doesn’t make for a consistent to and fro debate, so I dropped out. I’ve found that during the many debates I’ve had online with LACS, WJ, RSPCB and similar groups, that if you’re 100% honest and forthright in your points and arguments, their argument often falters and the holes soon start to appear, basically because their arguments are based on emotion and a distinct agenda which has its roots firmly entrenched in wealth envy and reverse snobbery. They instantly assume I’m wealthy and upper class because I enjoy shooting for entertainment, and find it disconcerting when they find out I’m a working class builder, as I was back then. There’s lots of fun and points well made to be had if you stay logical, rational and honest, especially when they admit to being a meat eater, as Avery is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 18 minutes ago, Scully said: I enrolled in his blog for some time a couple of years or so ago, after he criticised Dave (?) Carries daughter for stating that she had no qualms about feeding her children lead shot meat. My arguments were based on the freedoms of choice, against which he didn’t really have an argument as he agreed he had no right to dictate what people should and shouldn’t eat. We got on ok to be honest; he wasn’t as rabid as I’d expected but the methods by which his blog was/is operated doesn’t make for a consistent to and fro debate, so I dropped out. I’ve found that during the many debates I’ve had online with LACS, WJ, RSPCB and similar groups, that if you’re 100% honest and forthright in your points and arguments, their argument often falters and the holes soon start to appear, basically because their arguments are based on emotion and a distinct agenda which has its roots firmly entrenched in wealth envy and reverse snobbery. They instantly assume I’m wealthy and upper class because I enjoy shooting for entertainment, and find it disconcerting when they find out I’m a working class builder, as I was back then. There’s lots of fun and points well made to be had if you stay logical, rational and honest, especially when they admit to being a meat eater, as Avery is. Aye he likes his grub, it was a few years ago, mostly concerning their plans for the eco vandalism of moorland, meat eating which was acceptable unless it was game, and suitable gentleman's attire for bird watching, namely marketed by packham. It was when they started correcting my grammar that I came off it. Avery played to his audience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 39 minutes ago, islandgun said: Aye he likes his grub, it was a few years ago, mostly concerning their plans for the eco vandalism of moorland, meat eating which was acceptable unless it was game, and suitable gentleman's attire for bird watching, namely marketed by packham. It was when they started correcting my grammar that I came off it. Avery played to his audience Yes, they do try to make the most of any flaw in anyone’s character; it happened to my spelling if I recall. Not an attractive trait admittedly, but when your argument doesn’t stand up to close examination I suppose ridicule is all you have. I mentioned his waistline once regarding his appetite for meat when he started to get superior, and his cronies ganged up on me. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 21 minutes ago, Scully said: Yes, they do try to make the most of any flaw in anyone’s character; it happened to my spelling if I recall. Not an attractive trait admittedly, but when your argument doesn’t stand up to close examination I suppose ridicule is all you have. I mentioned his waistline once regarding his appetite for meat when he started to get superior, and his cronies ganged up on me. 😂 yep, I have had a few scrapes with Avery and his little gang of disciples, I found him very condescending, gave up in the end as it was like banging your head against a brick wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, old'un said: yep, I have had a few scrapes with Avery and his little gang of disciples, I found him very condescending, gave up in the end as it was like banging your head against a brick wall. Quite. I was never going to win, but then I didn’t set out to; I was merely pointing out the flaws and sometimes the hypocrisy in his argument. They know the flaws are there, they simply won’t willingly admit them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted January 24 Author Report Share Posted January 24 Indeed - I pointed out to Mr P on his socials that the RSPB has culled over 4,000 foxes in the last 10 years -more than all the hunts have ever killed - probably - Not a flicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, jall25 said: Indeed - I pointed out to Mr P on his socials that the RSPB has culled over 4,000 foxes in the last 10 years -more than all the hunts have ever killed - probably - Not a flicker They do a lot of different culls, strange they dont mention it to their followers..😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted Saturday at 21:43 Report Share Posted Saturday at 21:43 Ruth Tingay, another one of the wild justice triumvirate, is a real nasty piece of work and I think behind most of their activities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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