Lord Geordie Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Has anyone thought about the ID cards and what a nice earner it will be for the government as well as Criminals (not that there is much of a difference) The data includes your DNA and blood group I beleive! am I correct? If so I would be VERY afraid for a few reasons. Can you remember all those one night stands you had as a younger person with the villiage bike? Or perhaps a certain girl you thought was hot in the club that night and took her round the back?? Well lets imagine not only will the government try to CHARGE you for these cards but they stand to make the government MILLIONS if not BILLIONS in Lost revenue! When the single mother is asked WHO the father of her 7 kids is and she replies "I don't know" they simply take samples of blood from the Children and then check the ID card Database for matching DNA strands and there is Daddy who now owes the CSA a unhealthy amount of cash Nice little earner for the government eh? Add to that the growing black market for body organs and your data falls into the wrong hands so when on holiday you wake one morning after a binge you can't remember only to find a Kidney missing when they find your blood type is a match for a wealthy drug baron etc needing a new Kidney! Ok the second is perhaps a lot less likely to happen but Still you have to admit the first one is a scarey thought for a lot of you teenage romeo's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Has anyone thought about the ID cards and what a nice earner it will be for the government as well as Criminals (not that there is much of a difference) The data includes your DNA and blood group I beleive! am I correct? If so I would be VERY afraid for a few reasons. Can you remember all those one night stands you had as a younger person with the villiage bike? Or perhaps a certain girl you thought was hot in the club that night and took her round the back?? Well lets imagine not only will the government try to CHARGE you for these cards but they stand to make the government MILLIONS if not BILLIONS in Lost revenue! When the single mother is asked WHO the father of her 7 kids is and she replies "I don't know" they simply take samples of blood from the Children and then check the ID card Database for matching DNA strands and there is Daddy who now owes the CSA a unhealthy amount of cash Nice little earner for the government eh? Add to that the growing black market for body organs and your data falls into the wrong hands so when on holiday you wake one morning after a binge you can't remember only to find a Kidney missing when they find your blood type is a match for a wealthy drug baron etc needing a new Kidney! Ok the second is perhaps a lot less likely to happen but Still you have to admit the first one is a scarey thought for a lot of you teenage romeo's I ama virgin so it doesnt bother me But if you have ever had a fight and just walked away winner or not you could be pulled in for that. Your second scenario. I think you have watched "Lost" and it has affected you If you have nothing to hide and you wrap up well when you have and sexual encounters then there wont be a problem. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Go back to 1900 and ask anyone if they thought some chap called Hitler would turn the World over but 40 years later? Imagine what Hitler would have made of ID cards and a DNA database? Civil liberties are not just about the here and now but the "what if" in the future. We don't know where we will be in 40 years from now but all I do know is that this Government (and any Government) shouldn't have my DNA, inside leg measurement or religion. 'Maurie, that Mr. Hitler wants our details for a list he is making. Apparently it is to make Germany a safer and better place for us all. Worry not, Mr. Hitler is the leader of our government and if we have done nothing wrong then we have nothing to fear....'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P03 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Has anyone thought about the ID cards and what a nice earner it will be for the government as well as Criminals (not that there is much of a difference) The data includes your DNA and blood group I beleive! am I correct? If so I would be VERY afraid for a few reasons. Can you remember all those one night stands you had as a younger person with the villiage bike? Or perhaps a certain girl you thought was hot in the club that night and took her round the back?? Well lets imagine not only will the government try to CHARGE you for these cards but they stand to make the government MILLIONS if not BILLIONS in Lost revenue! When the single mother is asked WHO the father of her 7 kids is and she replies "I don't know" they simply take samples of blood from the Children and then check the ID card Database for matching DNA strands and there is Daddy who now owes the CSA a unhealthy amount of cash Nice little earner for the government eh? Add to that the growing black market for body organs and your data falls into the wrong hands so when on holiday you wake one morning after a binge you can't remember only to find a Kidney missing when they find your blood type is a match for a wealthy drug baron etc needing a new Kidney! Ok the second is perhaps a lot less likely to happen but Still you have to admit the first one is a scarey thought for a lot of you teenage romeo's What makes you think you'd wake up!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Would these I.D cards actually have to be paid for by ourselves, the honest working tax paying individuals? I suppose economic migrants, asylum seekers, individuals on benefit/incapacity will be exempt from paying................. Hope i haven'nt stirred up a hornets nest.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Buzzzzzzzzzz Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz They are coming Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Would these I.D cards actually have to be paid for by ourselves, the honest working tax paying individuals? I suppose economic migrants, asylum seekers, individuals on benefit/incapacity will be exempt from paying................. Hope i haven'nt stirred up a hornets nest.............. I hope you are pulling my leg? If your only concern about the proposed introduction of ID cards is their cost (and that some sections may get them for free or otherwise) and your view is representative of the UK majority, then we are all doomed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 I suppose economic migrants, asylum seekers, individuals on benefit/incapacity will be exempt from paying................. Oh Gawd, 5th post on ID cards and we are back onto asylum seekers! NOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Oh Gawd, 5th post on ID cards and we are back onto asylum seekers! NOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! I agree - i can now see why the mods/site owners are sick to the back teeth of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Time for one of theseNaked woman posted on wanted forum Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul65 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Would these I.D cards actually have to be paid for by ourselves, the honest working tax paying individuals? I suppose economic migrants, asylum seekers, individuals on benefit/incapacity will be exempt from paying................. Hope i haven'nt stirred up a hornets nest.............. I hope you are pulling my leg? If your only concern about the proposed introduction of ID cards is their cost (and that some sections may get them for free or otherwise) and your view is representative of the UK majority, then we are all doomed.... I agree, Mungler. People don't seem to have looked beyond the initial financial cost and that's the least of the issue. Our biometric data, fingerprints, iris scans, DNA profile or whatever would be worth a fortune, and not a small fortune at that, to criminals. And once your biometric data is in the hands of criminals you can't just replace it like a credit card. You can't get new eyeballs and fingers. The database security WOULD be compromised. When it comes down to it, any security relies on trusting someone at some point. Trusting someone to follow a procedure, to not use 'password' as their password, to not run off a local copy of the database for convenience. And if we disregard criminals and consider the government itself. The present lot are bad enough but what if we found ourself with a modern day Hitler for example. When the Nazis rolled into Holland they found that the Dutch government had a central record of everyone's religion, with full names, addresses, etc. Very handy, unless you were Jewish. They didn't see that one coming. But it's the things we don't see coming, or disregard out of hand or because it's politically inconvenient at the time, that will one day come back to bite us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 I have to admit that when ID cards were first discussed some years ago, I was one of those that thought if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem ? Having given it more serious thought, I am against the idea. When a Government can consider all vehicles having to be fitted with equipment to enable satellites to track them to calculate road tax (or other things). We already have cameras on some main roads that can flag when certain vehicles use that road. Vehicle registration information is already sold to private companies. Add on the recent loss of personal information held by the Government, the taking and recording of DNA samples for minor offences, cash for peerages and other sleaze and a whole myriad of examples of Government and Police inefficiency, I don't think they can be trusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Just an FYI from the latest donations scandal. Apparently Grodon didn't know anything about it until Saturday night. From what he was saying on Sky news this lunchtime, the reason the watchdog didn't bark (they have some sort of donation watchdog apparently) was that the individual donations were lower than the threshold that they are triggered to investigate at (£250000). so, even though the total donation was about £550000, they never cottoned on to it. Strange that, I'd have done exactly the same thing if I'd wanted to bribe an official in government. I'm just sorry that the poeple responsible in government were allowed to resign. I'd have fired them. Scum And I think ID cards are a bad idea too. And decaf coffee... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 The whole ID card thing makes me very, very uneasy. Cant remember who said it or the exact wording, but it made me think of something I heard at school. It was something along the lines of: "Defend civil liberties absolutely. If you do not, one day you will wake up in a police state and they will be coming for you" ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Go back to 1900 and ask anyone if they thought some chap called Hitler would turn the World over but 40 years later? Imagine what Hitler would have made of ID cards and a DNA database? Civil liberties are not just about the here and now but the "what if" in the future. We don't know where we will be in 40 years from now but all I do know is that this Government (and any Government) shouldn't have my DNA, inside leg measurement or religion. 'Maurie, that Mr. Hitler wants our details for a list he is making. Apparently it is to make Germany a safer and better place for us all. Worry not, Mr. Hitler is the leader of our government and if we have done nothing wrong then we have nothing to fear....'. Whats happening at 7 o'clock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 The whole ID card thing makes me very, very uneasy. Cant remember who said it or the exact wording, but it made me think of something I heard at school. It was something along the lines of: "Defend civil liberties absolutely. If you do not, one day you will wake up in a police state and they will be coming for you" ZB I believe the recital your are looking for is: WHEN THEY CAME FOR THE COMMUNISTS, I DID NOT SPEAK, BECAUSE I WAS NOT A COMMUNIST. WHEN THEY CAME FOR THE JEWS, I DID NOT SPEAK, BECAUSE I WAS NOT A JEW. WHEN THEY CAME FOR THE UNION LEADERS, I DID NOT SPEAK, BECAUSE I WAS NOT A UNION LEADER. WHEN THEY CAME FOR THE CATHOLICS, I DID NOT SPEAK, BECAUSE I WAS NOT A CATHOLIC. WHEN THEY CAME FOR ME, THERE WAS NO ONE LEFT TO SPEAK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Thats not the thing I was thinking of but it illustrates the point rather well nonetheless ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 The sooner we get I.D. cards, the better! Then some of our friends will HAVE to take a driving test instead of sending someone else. I have one, it's called an F.A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 The whole ID card thing makes me very, very uneasy. Cant remember who said it or the exact wording, but it made me think of something I heard at school. It was something along the lines of: "Defend civil liberties absolutely. If you do not, one day you will wake up in a police state and they will be coming for you" ZB I believe the recital your are looking for is: WHEN THEY CAME FOR THE COMMUNISTS, I DID NOT SPEAK, BECAUSE I WAS NOT A COMMUNIST. WHEN THEY CAME FOR THE JEWS, I DID NOT SPEAK, BECAUSE I WAS NOT A JEW. WHEN THEY CAME FOR THE UNION LEADERS, I DID NOT SPEAK, BECAUSE I WAS NOT A UNION LEADER. WHEN THEY CAME FOR THE CATHOLICS, I DID NOT SPEAK, BECAUSE I WAS NOT A CATHOLIC. WHEN THEY CAME FOR ME, THERE WAS NO ONE LEFT TO SPEAK. Time to keep your mouth shut then and join the police! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 If the situation arises that this country of ours does become a police state (and we are perilously close right now) I fully intend to leave the country if I am able to. The issue of basic civil liberties being eroded is genuinely _not_ a laughing matter, or something to be taken lightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 The whole ID card thing makes me very, very uneasy. Cant remember who said it or the exact wording, but it made me think of something I heard at school. It was something along the lines of: "Defend civil liberties absolutely. If you do not, one day you will wake up in a police state and they will be coming for you" ZB I believe the recital your are looking for is: WHEN THEY CAME FOR THE COMMUNISTS, I DID NOT SPEAK, BECAUSE I WAS NOT A COMMUNIST. WHEN THEY CAME FOR THE JEWS, I DID NOT SPEAK, BECAUSE I WAS NOT A JEW. WHEN THEY CAME FOR THE UNION LEADERS, I DID NOT SPEAK, BECAUSE I WAS NOT A UNION LEADER. WHEN THEY CAME FOR THE CATHOLICS, I DID NOT SPEAK, BECAUSE I WAS NOT A CATHOLIC. WHEN THEY CAME FOR ME, THERE WAS NO ONE LEFT TO SPEAK. AND WHEN THE RUSSIANS CAME INTO BERLIN I WAS SO GLAD I WAS'NT A WOMAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 If the situation arises that this country of ours does become a police state (and we are perilously close right now) I fully intend to leave the country if I am able to. The issue of basic civil liberties being eroded is genuinely _not_ a laughing matter, or something to be taken lightly. I get on very well with the Police. I get everything I want from them. In a Police state, I would be an informer. I know which side my bread is buttered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Would these I.D cards actually have to be paid for by ourselves, the honest working tax paying individuals? I suppose economic migrants, asylum seekers, individuals on benefit/incapacity will be exempt from paying................. Hope i haven'nt stirred up a hornets nest.............. I hope you are pulling my leg? If your only concern about the proposed introduction of ID cards is their cost (and that some sections may get them for free or otherwise) and your view is representative of the UK majority, then we are all doomed.... No quite frankly I don't give a monkey's, you are all forgetting the point in the U.K about any decision which is made by goverment. You name one thing the masses of this country have prevented a goverment making a decision on right or wrong, whatever the political party. As I have said before we moan and groan about new laws and decisions which change our way of life yet to true English tradition we accept it and carry on regardless. Thats the only thing I look at now- whats it gonna cost me- as vain as it may seem. Just for the record with the continuing reference to Nazi Germany and I.D cards, you are just referencing old hat which was implied under a totally different regime. So do you think there was no I.D cards in the Soviet union under Stalin, or in Italy under Mussolini? There was a very elaborate I.D system in the soviet union which defined you as a political,religious or class threat and the penalties were just as severe for non production upon request. In 1945 on May 1 alone in the soviet sector of Berlin according to Zukhov's war diaries, 17 soldiers (Russian)of junior rank were executed today by firing squad for 'non production of Identification when challenged' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Most def. spies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 There was a very elaborate I.D system in the soviet union which defined you as a political,religious or class threat and the penalties were just as severe for non production upon request. In 1945 on May 1 alone in the soviet sector of Berlin according to Zukhov's war diaries, 17 soldiers (Russian)of junior rank were executed today by firing squad for 'non production of Identification when challenged' Exactly. Any ID card law, just like extended detention without trial might not be misused by this government, or the government after that. The problem is that once it is on the statute books and precident has been set, it is open to abuse. Some, myself included, would argue that the lot we have now are bent enough to use such laws against the public when it suits them: Someone mentioned Walter Wolfgang, the old guy who got bundled out of the labour party conference for shouting "nonsence". When he tried to return, he was detained under section 44 of the terrorism act. Similarly, there was a lass who threw eggs at Prescott's tour bus and got arrested right here in Rushden. Why was she protesting? Against the ban on hunting. Under what law was she held? The terrorism act. So there we have it, a pensioner arrested under anti terrorism laws for nothing more than causing very minor embarrasment to a politician, and a pro-hunting demonstrator having anti terrorism laws used against her for throwing an egg. Notice please that those who commit far worse acts (of actual terrorism) in the name of a cause many labour politicians have sympathy with (ie animal rights) have never been detained under the terrorism act. ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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