Dunkield Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 So as of midnight last night I have 3 rifles sat in the cabinet and an expired FAC. Interesting times, I am glad I stocked up on ammo a short while ago. FEO reckons I may be in this position for a good few weeks yet . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretman Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 whys that do the police no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Have the police given you a temporary permit? The Met didn't bother when I renewed several years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I asked about that, fairly obvious response I guess "that would take up more time and make the delays even longer" If you ring HQ now and warn you if you leave a message on the answer phone you are adding to the delays, great isn't it Glad it's only every 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Strange that, I had to hand mine in to a RFD for 5 days Odd indeed, can you still use them and if you were stopped and the police found that the FAC had expired............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Odd indeed, can you still use them and if you were stopped and the police found that the FAC had expired............... you should demand a temporary cert,if you handed your renewal with reasonable time till expiry they have no excuse. technically if approached using your rifles within this period you could be prosecuted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 technically if approached using your rifles within this period you could be prosecuted Even having them in your possession could result in prosecution. your shooting organization should be having a call from you today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I have already grassed him up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 OK the full answer was "we have entered into a contract, as soon as your cheque is cashed that starts, if you get stopped after you FAC expires, please refer them to the licencing department" I think I will add to their delays later, just to get an idea of when it is due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I renewed my FAC just before December.My ticket ran out and I was told by West Yorkshire that there was no need for temp ticket as FEO had checked my renewal, checked rifles and shotguns Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 OK the full answer was "we have entered into a contract, as soon as your cheque is cashed that starts, if you get stopped after you FAC expires, please refer them to the licencing department"I think I will add to their delays later, just to get an idea of when it is due. Fair do,s S. but sleep lightly from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 OK the full answer was "we have entered into a contract, as soon as your cheque is cashed that starts That's interesting... so if someone was to apply for the grant of a firearm certificate, fills in the forms and posts off their cheque and the police cash that cheque within days (as they do ), can the applicant now assume he 'has a contract' with the police and can 'acquire' the firearms he has applied for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 refer to the law that is the only guideline, OPINIONS from various people within firearms departments (civilians and officers) differ so much from force to force they cant all be right. contact your shooting organisation as advised earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 interesting point their bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 OK the full answer was "we have entered into a contract, as soon as your cheque is cashed that starts That's interesting... so if someone was to apply for the grant of a firearm certificate, fills in the forms and posts off their cheque and the police cash that cheque within days (as they do ), can the applicant now assume he 'has a contract' with the police and can 'acquire' the firearms he has applied for? In that instance you wouldn't have an FAC. I have an FAC in fact I have the original (I always send a scanned copy to them) it's the expiry date that is a little a passé Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 In that instance you wouldn't have an FAC.I have an FAC in fact I have the original (I always send a scanned copy to them) it's the expiry date that is a little a passé Yes but in the police's own words (I read this somewhere but can't remember where!) a renewal isn't treated as a renewal any more, it's treated as a 're-grant'... hence by their own definition, an expired FAC is no better than no FAC at all! Ok I'm playing devil's advocate... but it's their rules... and what is good for the goose is also good for the gander!.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 OK from HQ themselves just now, who are of course the people in the know "It will be at least another 2 weeks due to the backlog, if you get stopped in the meantime they will understand the situation fully" And I have just changed the 2 to a 3 on my FAC with a felt tip anyway [joke] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 LOL! B) Ok, so you are only a criminal in possession of illegal firearms for two weeks... that's a relief! And the jury will 'understand fully'... that must be a great weight off your mind! It's ridiculous isn't it... it beggars belief what on earth can take so long! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 my brothers been without for 3 months now and its the same response from herts, To an extent its sensible but on the other its pretty hard to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I have to say I was never bothered and the fact they are so blase about it all just reinforces that, it is police dealing with police so you would hope it is all OK it is not as if I am trying to do anything illegal, it is completely out of my control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duey Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 No matter what the police tell you, you are in breach of the law by possessing firearms without a current FAC and can be prosecuted and have no legal leg to stand on whether it actually ever gets that far should anything happen is another matter How are the local bobbies going to talk to you firearms licensing dept when they get a call late at night and find you out legal foxing on your permission, they wont care, your down the nick and rifle confiscated and possibly house raided and all other firearms taken as well if you intend to carry on using your rifles without a current certificate then i would suggest that you try and at least get a reply off your FLO in writing explaining the problem If your with BASC or the like talk to them Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 How are the local bobbies going to talk to your firearms licensing dept when they get a call late at night and find you out legal foxing on your permission, they wont care, your down the nick and rifle confiscated and possibly house raided and all other firearms taken as well Ian YOU have to prove ownership or else they are taken off you ..................You'll be able to pick them up the next day though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duey Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 without you FAC ??B)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I would agree with Duey, I thught they would hang onto them until your FAC is renewed and probably charge you storage as well BASC advice is to geta section 7 to hang onto my rifles but the expanding ammo has to go to a RFD in the meantime - farce or what . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Of course .............have you kept up with the thread ..........Police will be dealing with Police and when stuart go's to the station the next ady to reclaim his confiscated firearms from the previous early morning excursion a simple phone call will explain the reason for no issued certificate which is outside of his control . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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