badgerman Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 just wondering what the point in pump action guns is? for more shots you've got semi-autos and nowadays reliability isnt really an issue. not having a go at them, on the contrary they look rather appealing - but i dont know why, they dont seem to make much sense? anyone know of any advantages then? cheers, BM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 they are fun they dont jam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbruno Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 they are afordable, and in extreme weather they dont jam as easy ie a Canadian winter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Very hardy and easier to get on with - less to go wrong and you won't get your fingers stuck anywhere on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 love my remmy, and as said fun two use dont jam and very quick, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusk2dawn Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 just wondering what the point in pump action guns is? for more shots you've got semi-autos and nowadays reliability isnt really an issue. not having a go at them, on the contrary they look rather appealing - but i dont know why, they dont seem to make much sense? anyone know of any advantages then? cheers, BM. :blink: Mossy I have takes 8 so when its brass monkeys out in a hide its nice not having to fumble and keep reloading,also you can take advantage of the flocks of pigeon that come over when a conventional OU is empty, same in the back of a pickup out night shooting the bunnies, as said with a pump shottie its more fun and the bag soon swells. Another time comes to mind, when shooting certain clay grounds is to see the expression on some faces when they realise you are not reloading D2D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Biggest popularity with them is for hard hunting in extreme conditions. In the States you can have up to 10 shot magazine, and if you are out hunting in the Rocky's the reliability and multi-shot capacity are perfect. They are also cheaper than equivalent semi-auto's. Not much good for clays, and little point in having a 3 shot one. If you hunt and want the magazine capacity, in the UK you will need a section 1 cert for one. Clayman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Badgerman, they never jam despite abuse and you can shout out 'hoskins you slag' instead of 'pull' at the clay ground then do the off to the bar with the chaps to sink a few dozen shorts. If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask. Forgot to mention that the recycling sound is second only to a Jota on full bore or any Ducati. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushkin Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Can somebody walk me through the legalities of owning a pump action as regards being capable of firing more than 3 shells? I - like many others I'm sure, thought you could only have a 3 shot capacity. Now I see Clayman speak of a section 1 certificate to allow the greater capacity. Pushkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 if you want more than 1 in the chamber and 2 in the magazine then you need an FAC with a slot for a section 1 shotgun, which will carry 1 in the chamber and more than 2 in the magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushkin Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 J@mes - thanks for that - straight and simple Pushkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_colt Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 (edited) They are very rugged guns, will cycle virtually anything put through it (providing it's proofed) and very affordable. You can do all the maintenance work on something like a Mossberg 500 yourself if you are confident enough. They are quite simple mechanically. You will have to expect to pay more for a pump in the UK to cover the costs of a lesser market and magazine crimping work. They make a very good rough field gun especially for ground vermin. With the right FAC slots; you can get a slug barrel and a unrestricted mag capacity. This is providing you can satisfy the good reason. "Practical" shooting is a very popular target sport now thanks to the UKPSA. So full membership of a UKPSA affiliated club would be good reason, slugs can only be used on a small number of ranges though. "High capacity magazine shotguns" (Section 1) also have a place in the field if you can satisfy the FEO there is a serious vermin infestation on land you have permission for. I don't know whether they would give someone one for field use if they had not held and used any s2 shotguns on a SGC previously. Meanwhile for those with SGC's only: A 3-shot (2+1) version is better than nothing. Personally my first shotgun would be a semi but that is for recoil reasons and the fact that I'll mostly be shooting clays. But you never know what shooting opportunities the future will hold so I keep an open mind... Edited February 29, 2008 by mr_colt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshed Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 you can shout out 'hoskins you slag' instead of 'pull' at the clay ground On my last outing at sporting clays with a black synthetic semi-auto the jocular gentleman behind me suggested I shout 'Freeze Motherf*cker!'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 (edited) As others have said, they're virtually indestructible, good fun and I don't care what anybody says about semi-autos, they do jam and they jam far more than I would ever find acceptable. There are people on here who have posted stuff like "I've used semi-autos for 500 years and 6 million rounds and never had a jam" Yeah right. Sorry, I don't believe a word of it. All I ever seem to see at clay grounds is semi-auto users arsing about picking cartridges out of the mechanism, while everybody else waits :mad: And yes, the recycling sound is better than sex Edited February 29, 2008 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 KERRRRRCHINKK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshed Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 KERRRRRCHINKK Which, unless you've got it on an FAC, means 'I've only got 2 cartridges left'. For clays surely a pump just gives the same recoil as an O/U without the convenience of two shots ready to go ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Ah.... but not having to snap you gun in half to reload is soooo much better!! I was shooting clays with a Remmy M870 in the US, awesomely good fun even just using 3 shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 (edited) KERRRRRCHINKK For clays surely a pump just gives the same recoil as an O/U without the convenience of two shots ready to go ? Recoil doesn't come into it. If you mount a shotgun right, you won't feel recoil, I don't feel anything no matter what I use. They're far more fun than O/U shotguns. End of. I might be an old ****, but I haven't completely given up on the concept of FUN yet. Do you shoot DTL? Edited February 29, 2008 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 I have both a multishot pump and auto on my firearms cert as i have shot practical shotgun for many years 2 years ago my ticket came back after a variation and without requesting both the pump and auto were opened up on ticket for vermin also KERRRCHING. I have to admit the first one i take out the cabinet is always the benelli pump if out on the pigeons or bunnies normally cos i miss with the first 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshed Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Ah.... but not having to snap you gun in half to reload is soooo much better!!I was shooting clays with a Remmy M870 in the US, awesomely good fun even just using 3 shots. Depends on who you're trying to look like - Bruce Willis or the Duke of Westminster I know they're very keen on the 870 in the US and it's a popular trap gun there. Recoil doesn't come into it. If you mount a shotgun right, you won't feel recoil, I don't feel anything no matter what I use.They're far more fun than O/U shotguns. End of. I might be an old ****, but I haven't completely given up on the concept of FUN yet. Do you shoot DTL? :mad: Recoil comes into it for me - I use 46gm Alphamax as well as clay loads. Maybe I'm just a wimp. Can't afford the tweed breeches for DTL. I only do occasional sporting clays on a farmers shoot where even camoed Hatsans are common, but we've never had a pump yet. Sounds like I'll have to try a pump since everyone is stressing the fun angle. Mind you, my idea of fun is my Yildiz SxS .410 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 The other point which no one has mentioned is you can have it loaded with different types of cartridge and decide wether you want to fire it or not simply by cycling it, eg slug buckshot slug and just pump it to unload the slug but fire buckshot ooops bit of past life training coming out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 The other point which no one has mentioned is you can have it loaded with different types of cartridge and decide wether you want to fire it or not simply by cycling it, eg slug buckshot slug and just pump it to unload the slug but fire buckshot ooops bit of past life training coming out there The same goes for a a semi-auto !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 (edited) There's also a bit of a strange "advantage", at least for people like me. I was trained to shoot clays with a pre-mounted gun, but I would prefer to shoot gun down (I don't know why) Cranking the old todger gun gets it out of your shoulder and I now find that I'm more willing to take certain shots from a gun down position when I'm shooting seriously with my O/U, which can be an advantage (I find) Without that, I was finding shooting gun up a very hard habit to break Edited February 29, 2008 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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