Catamong Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 This made me laugh, this guy could even be a PW member..?? "Nice idea but not thoaght through. As always the inocent/decent will obbay but criminel scum will simply change there DNA".........Steve. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Good grief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 What an idiot! Why change you DNA when you can just change your fingerprints? Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerdeor Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 imo dna fingerprinting should be done at birth and should have started many moony ago if your a good person you have nothing to fear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col s10 Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 imo dna fingerprinting should be done at birth and should have started many moony ago if your a good person you have nothing to fear spot on mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Permission to change DNA sir! Maybe a member of a airgun forum? LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col s10 Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 they already have mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy111 Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 they already have mine Don't worry, got mine too. If you've got nowt to hide, why worry, maybe solve some crimes a lot faster. I've certainly no problems with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 imo dna fingerprinting should be done at birth and should have started many moony ago if your a good person you have nothing to fear I know what you're saying but it's not as simple as that anymore. You've only got to look at the DVLA to see what they do with peoples private information, and they're a government body. Who would hold all DNA details? The police? Home office? Some other government department? Personally i wouldn't trust any of the above with such a database. Like identity cards for the indigenous population it all seems a bit Big Brother to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 T"Nice idea but not thoaght through. As always the inocent/decent will obbay but criminel scum will simply change there DNA".........Steve. DNA = National Dyslexia Association Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 imo dna fingerprinting should be done at birth and should have started many moony ago if your a good person you have nothing to fear I know what you're saying but it's not as simple as that anymore. You've only got to look at the DVLA to see what they do with peoples private information, and they're a government body. Who would hold all DNA details? The police? Home office? Some other government department? Personally i wouldn't trust any of the above with such a database. Like identity cards for the indigenous population it all seems a bit Big Brother to me. Poontang, What the hell is someone going to do with a copy of your DNA fingerprint? Copy it for themselves It's not like it's personal banking information or id fraud type information is it? Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 imo dna fingerprinting should be done at birth and should have started many moony ago if your a good person you have nothing to fear I know what you're saying but it's not as simple as that anymore. You've only got to look at the DVLA to see what they do with peoples private information, and they're a government body. Who would hold all DNA details? The police? Home office? Some other government department? Personally i wouldn't trust any of the above with such a database. Like identity cards for the indigenous population it all seems a bit Big Brother to me. Poontang, What the hell is someone going to do with a copy of your DNA fingerprint? Copy it for themselves It's not like it's personal banking information or id fraud type information is it? Harry The DVLC hold personal information as stated earlier. They are quite happy to sell that information to debt collection companys, bailiffs, local authorities etc. Here's a little scenario for you. You're walking through your local town having a fag. You drop your fag butt on the street. Suddenly some council busybody stops you and fines you £75 for littering (happened to my mates wife last week). How is said council going to prove that fag butt belongs to you? At the moment if there's no cctv evidence they can't,BUT give them access to a DNA database and HEY PRESTO!!! No, sorry, i just don't trust the powers to be not to abuse their position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 (edited) Not a fan of the idea at all. If Adolf Hitler had a DNA database his ethnic cleansing would have been more far reaching and efficient shall we say. If you went back in time and straw polled the German population 20 years before Adolf Hitler arrived whether they would have considered that their government would sanction the genocide of one race and they would have laughed at the notion. A lot can change in a short space of time. Who knows what the government of today will hand over to in the future. And for those that say the innocent have nothing to fear of a DNA database, well, give it a little more thought. Edited March 20, 2008 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 "What an idiot! Why change you DNA when you can just change your fingerprints?" :wacko: :blink: Mungler; I'm still on the fence with this one, what problems do you foresee with the scheme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 A DNA fingerprint, used when logging on to PW, may help keep some of the troll members with multiple personalities' at bay. :wacko: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 A DNA fingerprint, used when logging on to PW, may help keep some of the troll members with multiple personalities' at bay. :blink: We actually did this, but as all the troublemakers had very similar DNA and IQ's to daisies, it was difficult to identify the exact individuals. :wacko: A National DNA Database , sounds as good an idea as Identity Cards. If you have nothing to hide, then why fear either ? However, its when you sit down and really think about it that the doubts start to creep in. Do you really trust Governments, not just this one, but any future ones ? Has there ever been any mistakes with DNA evidence ? How secure is this information, not just the distribution of it, but is it "tamper proof"? The longer you think, the longer the list of questions becomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 I do not support ‘across the board’ DNA testing of every UK citizen and certainly don't trust the Government not to misuse such data. Essentially, anyone now coming in to contact with the criminal justice system, will be added to the existing database. Most of the country’s scunder-class belongs to known criminal families. Many ‘new’ and previously unrecorded scroats are being caught by the DNA they share with other family members. DNA, whilst useful, is not and should not be used as an excuse for lazy detective work. It is a tool that helps to identify possible suspects, witnesses and victims, and also helps exclude them. All foreign nationals coming to/leaving the UK should be tested and results cross checked with our police/Interpol/FBI records’ of offenders. If somebody wants to come in to the country, we surely have the right to try to screen-out the criminal element. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu S Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 If they did bring this in, they would have to physically restrain me, and forcably extract any form of DNA that they were after. This is while i am being incredibly difficult, and struggling quite a lot. The reason that i have such an issue with this is that i see it as an infringement of my human rights. I have posted on here in the past that those that do not act as responsible human beings should not have human rights (ergo the Human Rights AND Responsibilities Act as oppose to the Human Rights Act). Apart from the typical juvenile teenage behaviour some years ago now, I have never been anything other than a responsible human being, and therefore expect that my human rights be protected and upheld. If i had/do commit/ed a crime (other than speeding or any other trivial offence) then I would probably expect to have my DNA kept on file for some daft amount of time, but as i have not committed any offences, and nor do i plan to, I will be really really ****** off if some jumped up little hitler expects me to volunteer myself for DNA sampling. I have one of these new passports with the data chip in, and it specifically states that you are not to put the passport near any magnets for fear of rendering the microchip in-operable. Needless to say that it sat on top of a speaker for a few days. I am told that this chip contains all the information that is on the passport, so why the hell is it needed to be on a chip inside it as well? It is just another form of 'big brother' mentality. When are we as a country going to realise that we don't have to act like those Uncle Sam types over the pond, and can actually get over our fears of terrorism and not let them rule our lives? And before anyone has a pop at me and says that I am being flippant over the attacks over the last few years, I am not. It was a terrible tragedy with countless lives lost, and thousands more affected by them. I for one do believe that if we let these terrorists keep on frightening us that they have won. Yes we need to be more vigilant, but I also feel that the governments around the world are using it as an excuse to bring into power the 'big brother' thinking and processes. I will not accept it. I would challenge anyone to make me see otherwise, or to actually make me do it. Sorry, but thats the way it is. Anyways, hows the weather where you are? :wacko: Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 :wacko: The question is how much do you trust this government and how much do you trust the governments to come? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 And that is why the rationale of "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear" is ********. You may have nothing to fear from this government, but what about the next one? How about if they sell your DNA to insurance companies and your premiums suddenly go up when they realise that you have a latent genetic predisposition to an illness? I agree that DNA can solve crimes, but the process for removing your sample if taken to count you out of a crime should be made automatic or very easy. I also think that access to the database should be kept to the police only unless the person in question approves the release to other organisations themselves. Ditto national ID card database... That's a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Stu S, I believe the chips in the passport are designed to make it harder for forgers to copy them. Anyone can alter the data page on the passport but if this does not tie in with the chip then you know something is up. So if your passport gets nicked there is less chance of someone using it illegally to gain entry to this or other countries. Why do you see that as a problem? Another one for you. I have 2 young childern and I know how I would feel if anyone harmed them in any way. I would want the police to do everything they could to catch the persons responsible. Imagine then if your children were at home in bed and someone broke in to your house while you were all sleeping, abused your child and left the scene. If they left any DNA material at the scene the police can get a sample of this and check it against the national DNA database. If the offender has not previousley been arrested and sampled then he would not be on the database and would be free to carry out more attacks on other children. Should we allow this to happen? Anyone who thinks this is acceptable needs their head read. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 A DNA fingerprint, used when logging on to PW, may help keep some of the troll members with multiple personalities' at bay. :blink: We actually did this, but as all the troublemakers had very similar DNA and IQ's to daisies, it was difficult to identify the exact individuals. :wacko: A National DNA Database , sounds as good an idea as Identity Cards. If you have nothing to hide, then why fear either ? However, its when you sit down and really think about it that the doubts start to creep in. Do you really trust Governments, not just this one, but any future ones ? Has there ever been any mistakes with DNA evidence ? How secure is this information, not just the distribution of it, but is it "tamper proof"? The longer you think, the longer the list of questions becomes. What I find scary, is your second question, "have there ever been any mistakes? ". If you are convicted on DNA evidence alone, how can you defend yourself? An "expert" says it is your DNA on the weapon, your defence is....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 The DVLC hold personal information as stated earlier. They are quite happy to sell that information to debt collection companys, bailiffs, local authorities etc.Here's a little scenario for you. You're walking through your local town having a fag. You drop your fag butt on the street. Suddenly some council busybody stops you and fines you £75 for littering (happened to my mates wife last week). How is said council going to prove that fag butt belongs to you? At the moment if there's no cctv evidence they can't,BUT give them access to a DNA database and HEY PRESTO!!! No, sorry, i just don't trust the powers to be not to abuse their position. I think your scenario is a bit far fetched but in principle yes it could happen. This would result in the offender being prossecuted for an offence. OMG what is the world comming to. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 What I find scary, is your second question, "have there ever been any mistakes? ". If you are convicted on DNA evidence alone, how can you defend yourself? An "expert" says it is your DNA on the weapon, your defence is....? If your DNA was found on a murder weapon, inside a little girl, in an old persons home who has been burgled then yes if you cant explain it you deserve to go to prison. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 What I find scary, is your second question, "have there ever been any mistakes? ". If you are convicted on DNA evidence alone, how can you defend yourself? An "expert" says it is your DNA on the weapon, your defence is....? If your DNA was found on a murder weapon, inside a little girl, in an old persons home who has been burgled then yes if you cant explain it you deserve to go to prison. Harry You seem to have missed my point, of both Cranfields question and my comment. The whole point was how do I offer a defence against DNA evidence if I am innocent. And how do I prove that there was a mistake? As you presume that everyone is guilty untill proved innocent, I can only assume that you are in the police force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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