triscrx Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Finished work at 1200 today so decided to pop out and see if there was any rabbits about, I didnt know if it would be much good as the weather here at the moment is quite overcast and humid. Arrived on the farmers land and walked about a mile getting the odd Rabbit but none really big enough for the pot so carried on walking about looking for the bigger fella's Crossed over to the other fields across from the stream and saw a rabbit quite a way off to started to make my way towards him as the shot wasn't too clear. As I was heading towards him to get into a good position to drop him a Pheasant started making a racket so I looked in the direction of the pheasant noise and there on the other side of the river is a Fox making his way towards the pheasant I'd say no more than 30m from me! So I took aim and dropped him on the spot with a single headshot. I think he was so focused on his approach to the pheasant he didn't even see me there! Really chuffed as I have been after him for a while since the farmer said alot of his chickens had been got the other week. Here are some pics: You can see where the round entered here just a question for the fox shooters on here was this a good position to place the round? Had an instant death but wandered if there was a more favoured spot? Told the farmer as I left that I had got him and his wife gave me these as a reward. As I Type I have a Duck egg Omelette cooking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triscrx Posted May 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Just out of interest does anyone practice or know of a taxidermist close to devon & cornwall that is still working? And judging from the Pic how old would you say the fox was? Im well chuffed that was my 1st Fox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InGen Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 very nice shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Never been a fan of cammo guns, but I like that one, looks great. Congrats on first foxy, I have quite some memories of fox shooting, some quite intense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Awesome work, what type/ cal gun is that mate ? It looks stunning with the camo Duck eggs arent for my taste (my uncle used to keep a few ducks) but some people really like em hehe, enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triscrx Posted May 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Rifle is a .17HMR CZ 452 With Hawke HK3317 6.5-20x50AO Scope & Mod Below is a pic of it before I covered it in the camo tape. £5 a roll and it doesnt affect the finish or leave a sticky finish. good stuff for covering your gun up to prevent glare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Nice....... 17hmr and foxes??:lol:? do you need fox on your fac to shoot them with a .17? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart92 Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 dam that rifle is very sexy might try it on my tatical wat you think stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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triscrx Posted May 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Foxes are a no no on the .22 Rimfire but due to the MV of the .17HMR its deemed suitable for foxing within reason. As this one was so close I knew when I took the shot that it was well within the .17 Kill zone and there was no way I would injure it, if it had been further away then I would have left it alone. I am looking to get a variation for .223 at some point in the future as there seems to be alot of foxes about on the local farms. The camo tape is a cheap way to smarten up your rifle and the best thing is it if removable if needs be. Alot of people have commented on the tape. I have spray painted the bipod now so that blends in as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Nice....... 17hmr and foxes??:lol:? do you need fox on your fac to shoot them with a .17? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 I believe fox comes outside the general remit of 'vermin'. It'll be mentioned separately on your conditions. Good shooting though, Chris! Did you use No-Mar cam tape, or cloth-backed tape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maglad Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 nice one keep it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Foxes are a no no on the .22 Rimfire but due to the MV of the .17HMR its deemed suitable for foxing within reason. As this one was so close I knew when I took the shot that it was well within the .17 Kill zone and there was no way I would injure it, if it had been further away then I would have left it alone. I am looking to get a variation for .223 at some point in the future as there seems to be alot of foxes about on the local farms. The camo tape is a cheap way to smarten up your rifle and the best thing is it if removable if needs be. Alot of people have commented on the tape. I have spray painted the bipod now so that blends in as well. I too have used nomar tape on my little 410 hushpower, works a treat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Nice....... 17hmr and foxes??:good:? do you need fox on your fac to shoot them with a .17? Yes, you do, have a look at your conditions, if it is not included and you intend to shoot a lot of foxes, speak to your FEO, as some areas do not accept .17rf as suitable for foxes. If he is in agreement, send it back to HQ and ask for it to be added, it's not a variation therefore it's free and you will get no hassle. In the HO guidance, 17C/F is the smallest listed for foxes as "good reason" but 17RF has been granted in several areas with foxes as quarry, it's another of those 'grey bits' that only your FEO or HQ can clarify. Home office Guidance on FAC conditions for foxes reads; <1. Quarry Shooting (for vermin, fox or deer) • The *calibre RIFLE/COMBINATION/ SMOOTH-BORE GUN/SOUND MODERATOR and ammunition shall be used for shooting vermin and ground game/fox/deer (delete as appropriate) and for zeroing on ranges.> There are three distinct categories, 1/vermin and ground game, 2/ fox, and 3/ deer. Obviously your fox had not read the Home Office guidance ! Well done triscrx, you will always remember the first one, I have now shot 846 over the past years, and I still remember my first very clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artful badger Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Obviously your fox had not read the Home Office guidance is that not the right attitude towards fox hunting, i like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triscrx Posted May 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 (edited) On my FAC it has in the additional conditions: The certificate holder may possess, purchase or acquire expanding ammunition, or the missiles of such ammunition, in the calibres authorised by this certificate and use only in connection with: a) the lawful shooting of deer; b ) the lawful shooting of vermin or, in connection with the management of any estate, other wildlife; c) the humane killing of animals; d) the shooting of animals for the protection of other animals or humans. I will ring my FEO in the morning to query it and if necessary find out if the .17HMR is sufficient and if necessary have it added or get the .223 added. From the above conditions prior to this post I assumed by having condition b/c/d there it covered it. If however Foxe's have to be seperate I will look into this. thanks all Edited May 11, 2008 by triscrx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rabgoat Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Good job on the fox ,it looks an oldish one to me,I wouldn't have a clue how old though,Good job on the rifle also,I wouldn't have said it was a CZ452 from the first pic's,really nice,I noticed in one of the pic's before it was covered there is a small piece of the stock chipped away at the back were the bolt comes back,that happened mine also when I put in the trigger kit,Were did you buy the tape from,It's very tempting .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 One of the ways to get a decent idea of fox age is to take a look at the teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 On my FAC it has in the additional conditions: The certificate holder may possess, purchase or acquire expanding ammunition, or the missiles of such ammunition, in the calibres authorised by this certificate and use only in connection with: a) the lawful shooting of deer; b ) the lawful shooting of vermin or, in connection with the management of any estate, other wildlife; c) the humane killing of animals; d) the shooting of animals for the protection of other animals or humans. I will ring my FEO in the morning to query it and if necessary find out if the .17HMR is sufficient and if necessary have it added or get the .223 added. From the above conditions prior to this post I assumed by having condition b/c/d there it covered it. If however Foxe's have to be seperate I will look into this. thanks all The condition that you detail is for the ammunition not the rifles, foxes, if included, will be in the condition that starts "The 17 rifle and the....etc". Odd, I know that the two, the rifle and the ammunition have separate conditions, but that's the way it is done. As I said previously, different areas have different interpretations of the guidance, possibly your area HQ will say that the "other wildlife" clause covers fox. The other extreme is that they will say that they do not consider that 17 is powerful enough for foxes, this is of course is then your "good reason" for a 223, so it's a no lose situation really. Mine specifically says; The 243/7.62 rifles and the ammunition shall be used for shooting deer, and may also be used for shooting foxes and for zeroing etc....but the separate ammunition condition is the same as yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Just out of interest does anyone practice or know of a taxidermist close to devon & cornwall that is still working? And judging from the Pic how old would you say the fox was? Im well chuffed that was my 1st Fox. Triscrx , think you would need a consultant plastic surgeon before you had that one mounted . well done . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Nice....... 17hmr and foxes??:lol:? do you need fox on your fac to shoot them with a .17? Yes, you do, have a look at your conditions, if it is not included and you intend to shoot a lot of foxes, speak to your FEO, as some areas do not accept .17rf as suitable for foxes. If he is in agreement, send it back to HQ and ask for it to be added, it's not a variation therefore it's free and you will get no hassle. In the HO guidance, 17C/F is the smallest listed for foxes as "good reason" but 17RF has been granted in several areas with foxes as quarry, it's another of those 'grey bits' that only your FEO or HQ can clarify. Home office Guidance on FAC conditions for foxes reads; <1. Quarry Shooting (for vermin, fox or deer) • The *calibre RIFLE/COMBINATION/ SMOOTH-BORE GUN/SOUND MODERATOR and ammunition shall be used for shooting vermin and ground game/fox/deer (delete as appropriate) and for zeroing on ranges.> There are three distinct categories, 1/vermin and ground game, 2/ fox, and 3/ deer. Obviously your fox had not read the Home Office guidance ! Well done triscrx, you will always remember the first one, I have now shot 846 over the past years, and I still remember my first very clearly. Bob ,i know some very foxy ladies in the mid norfolk W.R.V.S. night border patrol . With your experiance and my charm i am sure we could do well in keeping them under control . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triscrx Posted May 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 spoke to the local constabulary firearms dept this afternoon and .17HMR is deemed ok in Devon & Cornwall. Im sending my FAC off today to get it added however, whilst on the phone he said the .223 was no problem either. overall a result filling in forms now to get it away asap Cheers for the advice all, especially bob300w. cheers guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Glad all is ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdboy Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Great shot, very clean. Im looking forward to meeting Charlie very soon too ! Well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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