Fisherman Mike Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 I notice in the press suspects have been detained in connection with the shooting of this Schoolgirl... Lets hope they are the guilty party and brought to justice with an appropriate sentance with zero chance of early parole... When are we going to start doing something about this bloody gun culture which is now increasing, alarmingly so... unstead of just condemning it each time until it is forgotten. If these people have so little disregard for human life they should be removed of their own. as poor Danielle's Mother said.... "My little girl is lying in a refridgerator" Can a custodial sentance ever be sufficient in these circumstances ? I dont think so.. What do you guys think? FM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTMS Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 FM, Totally agree "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEREGRINE Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 I think the death sentance should be brought back for pre-meditated murder and child sex offenders. I know a lot of libral minded people think this is excessive and demanding the death of an offender is making us as bad as them, but so what!! Justice in this country is a bloody joke wiith the law on the side of the offender in most cases. I believe in an eye for an eye, maybe if they knew they were going to face death themselves these child killers would think twice, and if not at least there would be no chance of these b*****s doing it again. :< Anyone who deliberately sets out to murder someone else has no place in society, and should be removed permanently, forget about rehabilitation in most cases this is impossible, and why should we have to pay for them to sit in jail when they contrubute nothing and make our own streets unsafe for other law abiding citizens and their children. Sorry to get on my soap box but this is an issue I feel strongly about. Im sure there will be a lot of posts disagreeing with my views, but i've got to say I am unmovable on this subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyni Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Can a custodial sentance ever be sufficient in these circumstances? In a word NO. Our judicial system is a total joke there is no punishment to fit the crime. Which is much the case with any crime nowadays, there is no deterrant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 i expect you guys can remember a little fella called "jamie bulger" , i guess last year some time the 2 guys responsible for his discraceful death were let out and given new identities and the chance of a new life with made up credentials and cert's of training and a new bank account ,then offered a free trip to either canada austrailia or new zeland to (as i read the article) start a new life . how quaint it made me sick to the stomach at the time of the murder and then sick again that anyone could possibly think the debt has been paid ,as a father of two sons myself , i shuddered to think either of my two could have done this terrible thing ( i think i would have snuffed them out myself ,with shame) as you say jonnyni Our judicial system is a total joke there is no punishment to fit the crime. Which is much the case with any crime nowadays, there is no deterrant. it is the same here the kids nowadays know exactly how far they can go with out recrimination ,and no fear of accountability or of public knowledge of their crimes they are as the goody two shoes call it "too young to be punished" "not old enough to know right from wrong" makes you sick dont it martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_GINNER Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Hi all, I have a dream... Instead of the death sentence for muderers, peadophiles etc, why not bring back public stonings. Chain the offenders up in public places, and allow the public to take their own revenge, the first stones to be thrown by the injured parties family or relations etc. Then the powers that be will see just how strongly peoples feelings against these scum really are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Do you understand the term 'hung for a sheep as a lamb'? Why do you think the laws have changed as time went by? Don't let your anger cloud your judgement folks. act in haste, repent at leisure ...... PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 and, how many innocents were sent to the gallows, no appeal is worth a toss if your 6' under. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugene molloy Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Over time I've been for and agin' capital punishment; for many years now I've been firmly against. Reason 1) Too many innocent people get topped. Reason 2) It's not a deterrant in most cases. Reason 3) It solves nothing. That little lass was killed because of the changes in society that have come about over the last 25 years or so; without them she'd still be alive. Among the more obvious are... 1)The profits from drug dealing are so great that criminal gangs prey on each other using guns. 2)Our police appear to be unable to address this, and generally have lost control of the streets. 3)The members of the criminal gangs are largely black, and do not see themselves as part of society. They tend not to marry, so there are large numbers of absent fathers providing no role model for little black boys who are in turn attracted by easy drug money; the thing is feeding on itself. 4)Some mothers don't see the unwisdom of letting 12 year olds wander the streets after midnight in a notoriously druggie infested city. Only when we find a way through that lot (and others) will the position improve. BTW what do you think would happen if the guy who did it was stretched? His business rivals in the drug wars would laugh their trainers off, having saved themselves the bother of buying a cartridge; they could just take over his manor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 I have to agree Eugene with most of what you say.I believe if you murder someone you should be executed.I lost my Uncle,Aunt, cousin, when the nutter next door shot them,he then killed a petrol pump attendant.He got 7 years in prison and then was rehabilitated 1 mile away from me.When I complained people thought I was heartless and interfering when I campaigned to have him moved. The real issue is we have lost our sense of decency through violence shown in films and TV, and very poor education in the home and schools.Most children do not care about manners & morals.Well bred children stand out for miles nowadays. Salopian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 I have to say that the previous posters were right, if the death penalty was brought in too many innocent people would die. Instead I think sentances should be longer and if there is a case for an appeal then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rifleman56 Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 like i always said we live in a nanny state we wil pay the price for the shooting of the school girl we lose our guns they keep them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Well said Rifleman.The fact is The Association Of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) sit on all the Government committees that deal with firearm legislation.The fact is Thomas Hamilton (Dunblane) and Michael Ryan (Hungerford) were both known by the Police to be unstable, yet still allowed to hold firearms.The fact is Yardies and other gun toting criminals do not obtain/buy guns & ammunition legally they obtain them from thieving & burglary because we do not have effective policing of Britain anymore, so ACPO get your foundations sound before you build Ivory Towers.Get crime off the streets NOW. Salopian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Since the death penalty has been abolished the murder rates have actually gone down. Saw on the front page of a paper when in Tescos that the majority of people think armed criminals should = life sentance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_GINNER Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Or we could try and draw attention away from the crime riddled streets by galvanising the public against hunting with dogs :blink: Apologies for the earlier post re stoning ! emotions got in the way. Basically i think it all boils down to a total lack of respect. Respect for life, other people and their property etc, law and so on. It is not taught anymore and children grow up believing they can do what they want when they want to. In the end it can only lead to crime. Unfortunately, gun culture is glamorised in just about all films and games today and they see fit to do the same in real life, killing people just for the sake of it or to obtain goods or just to settle an argument, innocent people are bound to get caught in the middle. It needs to be tackled now, swiftly and correctly. We need a visible police force, sentences that actually match the crimes and a much less enjoyable life when they do get banged up. The reason that some parents, whether single or together do not instill morals and respect in their offspring is that they were not taught it either, it's been going on for a long time now. Schools do not teach competitiveness any more and children leave school believing that everything will be handed to them on a plate. They end up hating society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 surely with dna testing,video evidence and all the new methods available to the police then guilt can be proved beyond doubt. i think if it wasnt for the laywers,human rights brigade and bleeding heart liberals then this country would have the death penalty.i actually had this argument with a city type last night at a dinner party ( i do live in surrey ).the **** actually said that for a convicted child abuser to be sentanced to death would be against his human rights.ok,what about the victim i asked.the answer was that both are victims and both will need help.dont think i will be invited back somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugene molloy Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 surely with dna testing,video evidence and all the new methods available to the police then guilt can be proved beyond doubt. Like the Griess test for powder residues that proved the Maguires were guilty? Only they weren't, the Home Office scientist fiddled the tests, and if we'd had capital puishment then at least four innocent people would have been topped. Fingerprint evidence can be faked, and has been. Policemen can tell lies and have done. All the Birmingham Six bombers "freely"confessed and made signed statements. Only they didn't do it, the people in the Balcombe St. siege did. Another six innocents would have been killed if we'd had hanging. For many years I worked in scientific disciplines that involved Laboratory testing, chemical analysis and physical measurement. If anybody asked me "What's the figures for so and so?" I'd reply "What do you want them to be?" Believe me, any competent Lab technician can fiddle any test.......I know because I've done it. If you truely believe that anything in this life is beyond doubt, then beyond doubt you need to think again. Regards Eug, BTW Don't think I have any sympathy for murderers, IRA or otherwise. I had friends killed and maimed in the Brum thing and my wife and I (just kids then) were in one of the pubs the night before; it could have been us. I was about 4 miles out of Omagh heading into town when that sucker went off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Eug is right if anyone has ever saw 'in the name of the father' which involved the Guilford four that would have been four innocent people killed. Don't have any sympathy for terrorists before someone jumps on my back, so its cases like this that would end any chance of capital punnishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squintshot Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 The thing I fain crazy about this whole horrible episode is that three of the suspects were arrested up near me in Aberdeen. This is somewhere altough it has it's drugs problems I didn't thing it was that bad. Squint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 dna testing is advancing on an almost daily basis.the guildford four were as innocent of that bombing as you or i but science is evolving at an amazing pace. they werent picked up as random irishmen,more of a case of guilt by association,rather like a jackdaw. in no way am i saying that for that they deserved to die. in the case of murder,rape etc being proved beyond any doubt then i will front the que to pull the lever.this will never happen as lawyers,barristers etc with only money on their minds will always appeal.for every case of wrongful imprisonment there are tens of thousands of rightful ones.percentage wise its a good one. life in prison is now a joke,there are too many do gooders wanting to kiss and cuddle vermin and blame every one bar the perpetrator. the only thing that i beleive is beyond doubt is that we are at risk of victimising the victims and pandering to the minority of filth that murder,maim and abuse. Gentlemen,these are just my thoughts and i have no wish to fall out with any of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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