What are we all doing

[pavman]

have set the new .223 1 inch high at 100 yds, I did this prone off the bipod, groups are fairly tight (match box) mostly due I suspect cause I suffer from mild shakes like many,

 

on discussion other Rifle men have said you must use a rest and fix the stock or some other means of fixed support whilst in the shooting position to ensure a constant aim when setting zero

 

Ideas welcom ta

[tulkyuk]

Are these 'other' rifle men Bench rest shooters ?

 

I Zero the same as you - Prone, Bipod and target @ 100yrds or on the bonnet of the landrover with the bipod down

 

Also, is the Tikka T3 Brand new? - i had a brand new one and it took quite a few rounds before it shot nice tight groups ( i think the posts about it are on here somewhere)

Edited August 6, 2008 by tulkyuk

[Dunkield]

You are testing or proving the gun and the ammo, not your shooting skills.

To keep it simple you are removing the weakest link - you.

A bipod and bag or just a bipod should be fine for that, as Tulky says wait until you have put a few through it, and don't rush them, getting it too hot won't be a good idea.

[al4x]

I use a bag and have the butt rested as well to try and get it as steady as possible usually on the bonnet or roof of my L200, the steadier the better when zeroing

[grasshopper]

You won,t have the rifle clamped when your out shooting in the fields etc..

 

I believe in setting my rifles up the way i shoot them most of the time i.e.

 

I mostly shoot off sticks,so therefore i will set my rifle on the bipod,then let a few go off the sticks to check that it,s still hitting the same POI.

[henry d]

Absolutely

[casts_by_fly]

for load testing or for testing changes in the rifle, I anchor down in a set of caldwell deadshot bags. then you are taking the other variables out of the equation. However, in doing that I'm looking at grouping, not point of impact. When it comes to sighting in, it is how I am going to shoot it in the field. My 22LR gets shot from bags when I'm testing a bunch of different ammo or testing a cleaning regime. It is sighted in from a bipod. Some guns make a difference in how they are held.

 

Thanks

rick

[Dunkield]

You won,t have the rifle clamped when your out shooting in the fields etc..

 

I believe in setting my rifles up the way i shoot them most of the time i.e.

 

I mostly shoot off sticks,so therefore i will set my rifle on the bipod,then let a few go off the sticks to check that it,s still hitting the same POI.

Ok then, just for a sense of balance I will disagree

The idea of zeroing is to make sure the tool is doing what it should, if you wobble on your sticks even slightly and pull the shot just a tad, what do you do then?

If you adjust the scope, and don't wobble on the next shot that will be out as well, so you adjust it again, and so on, and so on.

POI shouldn't change from one stance to another unless there is something not right with the gun.

[JohnGalway]

I zero as I will be shooting when out. Bipod and sometimes something like a rolled up cap or jumper under the butt. I don't usually carry a shooting bench and various clamps when out lamping as I find they hamper me jumping over walls

[grasshopper]

You won,t have the rifle clamped when your out shooting in the fields etc..

 

I believe in setting my rifles up the way i shoot them most of the time i.e.

 

I mostly shoot off sticks,so therefore i will set my rifle on the bipod,then let a few go off the sticks to check that it,s still hitting the same POI.

Ok then, just for a sense of balance I will disagree

The idea of zeroing is to make sure the tool is doing what it should, if you wobble on your sticks even slightly and pull the shot just a tad, what do you do then?

If you adjust the scope, and don't wobble on the next shot that will be out as well, so you adjust it again, and so on, and so on.

POI shouldn't change from one stance to another unless there is something not right with the gun.

 

Could be why we shoot groups as opposed to single shots maybe...

[deadeye ive]

You are testing or proving the gun and the ammo, not your shooting skills.

To keep it simple you are removing the weakest link - you.

A bipod and bag or just a bipod should be fine for that, as Tulky says wait until you have put a few through it, and don't rush them, getting it too hot won't be a good idea.

 

Once the rifle and ammo combination have been proved this way then would be the time to put yourself 'the human factor in to the equation and only then tweak the scope to suit your habits of pulling to the right or left for example .

IMO it helps to have a datum point of a almost perfect set up to start from .

[grasshopper]

I mostly shoot off sticks,so therefore i will set my rifle on the bipod,then let a few go off the sticks to check that it,s still hitting the same POI.

 

Somehow i feel we,re going round in circles now.

 

At the end of the day,it,s the way that fills you with the most confidence,as without this,you won,t shoot well anyways

[tulkyuk]

Crop circles??? - you been seeing Aliens again Jeff

[pavman]

Right then

 

am out friday night from the shooting platform back of my Landi, will re check my groups from the foam rail I can shoot at 100 and 150 targets in the pit, I have been putting two wiper shots through prior to going round foxing (swab barrel with meths then dry when i leave home first) its only had 25 rounds through it so finding my feet so to speak

[Graham M]

This something I have found over the years when shooting from a bipod and shooting sticks. When I shoot from the sticks the shot is to POA. But when I use the bipod the shot always goes higher.

It isn’t as bad with the T8 on the front of the .243, but if I use a bipod on the Sako .22rf then the shot can be as much as 2 inches high at @ 60yds.

As for accuracy off the sticks, well, if I hold the sticks with my left hand and just rest the rifle’s fore-end on the web of my thumb, and then rest my right elbow on a tree, then I find I can get as much accuracy as I can off the bipod.

Just wondered if anyone else noticed a different POI when using sticks and bipod.

G.M.

[pavman]

This something I have found over the years when shooting from a bipod and shooting sticks. When I shoot from the sticks the shot is to POA. But when I use the bipod the shot always goes higher.

It isn’t as bad with the T8 on the front of the .243, but if I use a bipod on the Sako .22rf then the shot can be as much as 2 inches high at @ 60yds.

As for accuracy off the sticks, well, if I hold the sticks with my left hand and just rest the rifle’s fore-end on the web of my thumb, and then rest my right elbow on a tree, then I find I can get as much accuracy as I can off the bipod.

Just wondered if anyone else noticed a different POI when using sticks and bipod.

G.M.

 

 

funny you should say that, i get similar from bi pod to the shooting rail on my quad with the .17 hmr on bunnies, thought it was just me

[Graham M]

Thank gawd for that. I though it was just me.

G.M.

[Harnser]

We have to be sencible about zeroing in . You cannot take into account all the variables of sighting in a rifle on a particular day , there are to many and i wont go into them as i am sure you understand them (the biggest variable being the shooter ) . I have allways believed that the more help that i can get steading the rifle the better the zero will be . If you could practicaly take a bench into the field with a good vice on it and clamp the rifle in the vice then you would get a good zero . I allways use a bipod and bags to support the rifle whilst zeroing . You dont need to be shooting M.O.A. to cleanly kill deer ,foxes ,or rabbits . You just need a properly zeroed rifle . Dont worry if they are not going through the same hole with impunity ,its not neccesary . Harnser .

[DaveK]

I zero off the bonnet of my Landy as most of my foxing shots will be from there. Not as steady as prone but if I can get touching hole groups from the Landy I'm well happy. Reasonably happy if theyre in the 2" circle (I use shoot n see splat patches).

[pavman]

I zero off the bonnet of my Landy as most of my foxing shots will be from there. Not as steady as prone but if I can get touching hole groups from the Landy I'm well happy. Reasonably happy if theyre in the 2" circle (I use shoot n see splat patches).

 

 

Err excuse my ignorance Dave, can you explain the patch plz

 

ta

[DaveK]

I zero off the bonnet of my Landy as most of my foxing shots will be from there. Not as steady as prone but if I can get touching hole groups from the Landy I'm well happy. Reasonably happy if theyre in the 2" circle (I use shoot n see splat patches).

 

 

Err excuse my ignorance Dave, can you explain the patch plz

 

ta

 

Sorry Pav. We call the shoot n see targets "splat patches". They're black and when you hit them the edges of the hole turn yellow

 

[pavman]

I zero off the bonnet of my Landy as most of my foxing shots will be from there. Not as steady as prone but if I can get touching hole groups from the Landy I'm well happy. Reasonably happy if theyre in the 2" circle (I use shoot n see splat patches).

 

 

Err excuse my ignorance Dave, can you explain the patch plz

 

ta

 

Sorry Pav. We call the shoot n see targets "splat patches". They're black and when you hit them the edges of the hole turn yellow

 

 

 

arrr I like it

 

I have been using the inch square box ones to allow for correction cliks to be dialed (one click 1/4 inch at 100yds) in with use of a spotting scope (given to me)

[lurcherboy]

I zero as I will be shooting when out. Bipod and sometimes something like a rolled up cap or jumper under the butt. I don't usually carry a shooting bench and various clamps when out lamping as I find they hamper me jumping over walls

 

That last sentence is one used often by poachers

 

Pavman, seen you shooting rabbits and you are fine, stop worrying and enjoy your sport

 

 

 

 

 

LB

[JohnGalway]

I zero as I will be shooting when out. Bipod and sometimes something like a rolled up cap or jumper under the butt. I don't usually carry a shooting bench and various clamps when out lamping as I find they hamper me jumping over walls

 

That last sentence is one used often by poachers

 

 

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