Axe Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 It would be really good to hear a comparison of the mods available. Perhaps one of the rags could do a peice on this in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Just to confuse matters further, i read a lot of stuff about hmr moderators and was recommended the Parker Hale sirocco. My mate has a sak on his silouhette, i have a sirocco on the same gun and mine is far quieter than his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbeagley Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Just to confuse matters further, i read a lot of stuff about hmr moderators and was recommended the Parker Hale sirocco. My mate has a sak on his silouhette, i have a sirocco on the same gun and mine is far quieter than his. Would love to hear the un moderated sound of Evil Elvis avatar. More of a slapping sound rather than a crack, i think due to the subsonic movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 No, I wasn't slating the SAK mod, I was saying that you shouldn't use an air rifle sound mod on a 17. Parker Hale mods come in two types (proofed and unproofed). Unproofed for airrifles and proofed for rimfires. It's exactly the same moderator and either can be used on an HMR safely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcob09 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 (edited) just for info, the parker hale .17hmr moderator WAS fitted to my rifle (cz). all of the baffles inside were burnt out and deformed THREE times (after approx. 15-20 rds). parker hale have started to change the first four baffles with stainless steel ones but left the last ones as alloy. if you own one i suggest you remove it from your rifle and check down the bore. parker hale are dragging their heels over this but since my former boss at helston gunsmiths is on the board of proofers its getting forced on them. the changes they made are insufficient and the last two baffles in mine have now folded over into the path of the bullet. hence i am getting rid to get a wildcat instead, my advice is if you own a .17hmr to make sure the moderator you have on it has steel baffles and not alloy......... on the subject of moderators, if like another post on here you have an air rifle silencer on ANY firearm regarless of what you think, if it has not been proofed then it is...... a. bl**dy dangerous as its not been tested for that kind of pressure. b. questionable as to its legallity. i dont think its worth saving money to put one on your rifle or risking possible injury or even a nasty copper chit chat. Edited April 9, 2009 by alcob09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 I note sak mod's don't have a proof mark on them (or at least didn't when I had one). I've used quite a few on my cz .22, In my opinion these are in order (loudest first); Sak Parher-hale ASE-utra The p/h and the ASE-utra are close but the utra's the quietest. Slightly quieter than the utra was a sak that I altered by changing the baffles for washers and bits of tube. I swapped it with my mate for the utra though The only thing I will say though - though it's marginally quieter, the utra's a p.i.t.a. to strip and clean and isn't all that cheap. And, of course, the above is just my opinion Has anyone tried a mod specificly made for .17HMR (i.e, smaller hole in baffles)? are they any better? How much for one and where can I get one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning GTS Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Ive changed my pes for a wildcat wisper these are made for .17 and really well made but not cheap, but you only have to buy once. Look here http://www.wildcatrifles.co.uk/sound_moderator_rimfire.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdboy Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 For the same price as a SAK, i bought a Cub mod for my 17HMR. My shooting buddy uses a SAK on his HMR and with me beside him on the Cub, i would say its a few percent quieter. I went for something different as already had a SAK on my .22, and the Cub is lighter and smaller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Parker Hale mods come in two types (proofed and unproofed). Unproofed for airrifles and proofed for rimfires. It's exactly the same moderator and either can be used on an HMR safely. Sound mods do not need to be proofed and if you got yours proofed, you've just been done over. Look on the web for all the info about proofs being forged onto mods just becuase people were worried they didn't have one in the first place. None of mine are proofed and they don't need to be. My Parker hale FAC one also didn't have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcob09 Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Sound mods do not need to be proofed and if you got yours proofed, you've just been done over. Look on the web for all the info about proofs being forged onto mods just becuase people were worried they didn't have one in the first place. None of mine are proofed and they don't need to be. My Parker hale FAC one also didn't have one. awesome, you are right it does seem that you MIGHT not have to have a silencer/moderator proofed. however mr pc plod will still want proof marks, and will argue the toss over it, hence i say 'not worth the argument' by the way as i said about the parker hale its been quietly changed and in some places recalled to change the baffles since its falling appart under the pressure from the .17hmr discharge. mine is on its way back to helston gunsmiths for inspection by old man mr chris price who is furrious that this is its third set of baffles and last time i chatted to him he was investigating to see who passed it as safe for .17hmr. and he is a firearms expert and legal go between for proof house and police....... i'll leave it to him to play with. personally i couldn't live with myself if i gave out advice like the quote above and someone got injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfox Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) awesome, you are right it does seem that you MIGHT not have to have a silencer/moderator proofed. however mr pc plod will still want proof marks, and will argue the toss over it, hence i say 'not worth the argument' by the way as i said about the parker hale its been quietly changed and in some places recalled to change the baffles since its falling appart under the pressure from the .17hmr discharge. mine is on its way back to helston gunsmiths for inspection by old man mr chris price who is furrious that this is its third set of baffles and last time i chatted to him he was investigating to see who passed it as safe for .17hmr. and he is a firearms expert and legal go between for proof house and police....... i'll leave it to him to play with. personally i couldn't live with myself if i gave out advice like the quote above and someone got injured. Its not a case of "MIGHT not need one" you dont need proof marks ona mod, it doesnt matter if the plod wants proof marks on them, by law you dont require proof marks on mods, therefore he entirely incorrect if he says it is necessary. if someone gets injured you can almost guarantee its user error, or in another way more common case is when people foolishly put air-rifle mods on rimmys and centrefires, thats nothing to do with proofings, just human ignorance! Edited April 15, 2009 by dogfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcob09 Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) (Its not a case of "MIGHT not need one" you dont need proof marks ona mod, it doesnt matter if the plod wants proof marks on them, by law you dont require proof marks on mods, therefore he entirely incorrect if he says it is necessary. if someone gets injured you can almost guarantee its user error, or in another way more common case is when people foolishly put air-rifle mods on rimmys and centrefires, thats nothing to do with proofings, just human ignorance! ) if you read further back in this string you'd see that this is what i'm talking about, not so much unproofed but one guy saying he put an air rifle mod on his rim fire! but thanks for the bitch slapping Edited April 15, 2009 by alcob09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfox Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 (Its not a case of "MIGHT not need one" you dont need proof marks ona mod, it doesnt matter if the plod wants proof marks on them, by law you dont require proof marks on mods, therefore he entirely incorrect if he says it is necessary.if someone gets injured you can almost guarantee its user error, or in another way more common case is when people foolishly put air-rifle mods on rimmys and centrefires, thats nothing to do with proofings, just human ignorance! ) if you read further back in this string you'd see that this is what i'm talking about, not so much unproofed but one guy saying he put an air rifle mod on his rim fire! but thanks for the bitch slapping apologies necessary mate! i thought it was you who had said it! glad were both on the same mentality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 (Its not a case of "MIGHT not need one" you dont need proof marks ona mod, it doesnt matter if the plod wants proof marks on them, by law you dont require proof marks on mods, therefore he entirely incorrect if he says it is necessary.if someone gets injured you can almost guarantee its user error, or in another way more common case is when people foolishly put air-rifle mods on rimmys and centrefires, thats nothing to do with proofings, just human ignorance! ) if you read further back in this string you'd see that this is what i'm talking about, not so much unproofed but one guy saying he put an air rifle mod on his rim fire! but thanks for the bitch slapping technically you can use most rimfire mods on air rifles and they will work and they don't need to be on ticket. So if you want to try a new mod buying one that can be used on both to an extent circumvents the law if bought as an airgun mod. Of course when you put it on your rimfire then it should be on ticket and you should sell your existing one and re-open the slot to aquire a new one, but don't know about yours but mine just states moderator of unknown make so in theory I could swap it for another and no one would be any the wiser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 I have a SAK on mine and I think it is marginal between that and the sirocco SM11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 funny thing is if you shoot your HMR at very close range with a SAK into a suitable backstop the noise is no more than a .22lr, that makes me think its the crack that creates the noise which you can't moderate, but hey if you've got the cash and it makes you feel better spend loads on a mod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Next time I clean out the SAK on my HMR, I will post the photos of the gas erosion to the aluminium baffles. The baffle nearest the muzzle has virtually disappeared due to this gas-cutting, and the sound-attenuating ability of the SAK seems to be declining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 I'm guessing its seen some action and in theory a new one shouldn't break the bank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Laziness has stopped me changing the SAK, but I will chop it in for a PES or ASE Utra when I next do a variation. It always surprises me how much unburnt powder that round leaves in the mod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Laziness has stopped me changing the SAK, but I will chop it in for a PES or ASE Utra when I next do a variation. It always surprises me how much unburnt powder that round leaves in the mod. The PES one was rated the best to use on a .17 for noise reduction. A complete fluke, as I bought a PES for my 22-250...! Anyway, if you do get a PES, you'll have great fun finding out when it actually needs cleaning out, as you get a 6" flame coming out the front as the unburnt powder sets alight as you fire it on your 300th round...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan browning gts Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 what are the Shirokow moderators like my 17 i have just got has 1 its a cz varmint 17hmr if thats how you spell it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 I've got the parker hale mod on my .17, can't compare it to the other mods, but it works well for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 LEI now make a .17 mod - and if it's anything like the quality of their other ones, it'll be rather good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleaner4hire Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 at the moment i own a SAK, SM11 and DM80, i think the only reason the DM80 is quieter is that its a 17 specific mod, that fits snuggly over the barrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 The PES one was rated the best to use on a .17 for noise reduction. A complete fluke, as I bought a PES for my 22-250...! Anyway, if you do get a PES, you'll have great fun finding out when it actually needs cleaning out, as you get a 6" flame coming out the front as the unburnt powder sets alight as you fire it on your 300th round...! COOL! gotta get me one of those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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