warren Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 hi can i give my mate my shot gun on farm land if he doesn t have a cert if i am with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul@Ribchester Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Yep, but make sure you tell him so do's and dont's beforehand...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 NO webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Some relevant info in here.... http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...showtopic=75034 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warren Posted February 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Yep, but make sure you tell him so do's and dont's beforehand...... he has been shooting for years but just hasn t got roung to getting a cert but we was thinking of bolting a few rabbits so we would be either side of the hedge with the guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) No, if he doesn't have a SGC, he must be under direct supervision of the landowner, who in turn has lent him his gun. Only a section 11 exemption allows for lending of shotguns, which are granted to clay grounds and other places that guns are lent out. Edited February 1, 2009 by harfordwmj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul@Ribchester Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Sorry wrong answer before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Yep, but make sure you tell him so do's and dont's beforehand...... so confident, but so wrong, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecooper1 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 no mate im 99 per cent sure you cant i certainly wouldnt do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul@Ribchester Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 so confident, but so wrong, As I said humble pie for me...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_mjs93 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) if its your farm and your gun i believe you can but i could be totally wrong but i think i read somewhere that if you have say a field or a farm you can lend someone a shotgun and you have to be supervising them... but even if it was my farm (not that i have a farm lol) i wouldnt just because of the fact that its my gun my farm and its his own fault for not getting one, best idea is to tell him to go apply for an SGC it wont take that long to come through home visit and such... Edited February 1, 2009 by mark_mjs93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 im with sonic,as far as im aware you can lend a gun to someone on your permission aslong as your with at all times . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warren Posted February 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Yep, but make sure you tell him so do's and dont's beforehand...... thx for the help i will give me fro a call in the morning ans see what he sayes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbald Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 The meaning of occupier has never been tested in court so it is down to somebodys opinion, I wouldnt do it as I wouldnt want to be the first to lose my certificate if a court thought different to your FEO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 As I said humble pie for me...... If you're still chewing that humble pie, it looks like you might be able to spit it out soon, Paul laaaaaaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Its all about supervision and security of the gun. If you lend your gun, on your land ( owned, leased, written shooting rights OK, probably not just a verbal permission to shoot the land), and you are close enough to supervise its safe use - that means beside or with, not in a car 1/2 mile away or watching out the house window - then section 11(5) exemption says its OK to lend. In the case of section 11(6) a piece of land can have a permit granted for non-licensed shooters to use a shotgun and buy carts for use there under supervision. You can't just turn up and shoot without the permit holder's knowledge and consent, because the right to allow non-licensed shooters is granted to an individual who is responsible for them, although the responsibility can be delegated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 thx for the help i will give me fro a call in the morning ans see what he sayes Ignorance is bliss... I would take the proper advice off this forum, especially if it's against what you want to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubby_uk Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 I found this at the Cambridge police site, http://www.cambs-police.co.uk/help/firearms/faq.asp?ID=12 . "Can I try shooting if I don’t hold a certificate? Under certain circumstances you can shoot without holding a firearms or shotgun certificate, these include: 1. At Clay Shoots and Registered Firearms Dealers. The shoot or dealer must hold a Section 11 (6) Exemption notice issued by the police. 2. At “open days†held by approved rifle and muzzle-loading clubs as a non-member, using club weapons on a limited number of days throughout the year. Membership is usually required to shoot at these clubs at other times. 3. You may shoot shotguns or rifles when accompanied by a certificate-holding landowner or their agent, such as a gamekeeper/stalker, on the owners land, using their weapons in accordance with the restrictions on their certificate for that weapon. You may not borrow another person’s gun if they do not own/occupy the land you propose to shoot on. An occupier could include the farming tenant or the holder of the shooting rights. " I had a similar problem when my mate, who owns 70 odd acres of mixed woodland wanted to try some clays. He hasn't a SGC so we did it with mine. Got him hooked now so we shall be doing lots more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warren Posted February 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Hi I called up today and was told that if the person without the licence was being properly supervised it was ok for them to use the gun but if I was the other side of the of the hedge row it wouldn’t t be classed as being supervised so the answer is yes he can use the gun but I have to be in easy reach of the gun hope this helps and thx for all the replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Hi I called up today and was told that if the person without the licence was being properly supervised it was ok for them to use the gun but if I was the other side of the of the hedge row it wouldn’t t be classed as being supervised so the answer is yes he can use the gun but I have to be in easy reach of the gun hope this helps and thx for all the replies I'd call again and ask for it in writing. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Interesting one, You can use an estate gun whilst deer stalking and under supervision, but that supervision may be in the form of your guide in a high seat on the other side of the field out of sight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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