pavman Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) Normally a happy and pro BASC member the two issues that raise my bile are having to re claim on multi subscriptions when you renew with more than one club and the cheap naff membership card Blimey even the enviromental agency now issue a nice water proof angling licence credit card size in hard plastic rant over Edited June 11, 2009 by pavman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 true, would be nandy - i could even put it on that lanyard i got from mung! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Why do you have to join with multiple clubs? surely you can only join BASC once. I do agree with the card though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SXPhil Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Couldn't agree more The CPSA's is somewhat better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) Why do you have to join with multiple clubs? surely you can only join BASC once. I do agree with the card though. most clubs will charge you full BASC subs on renewal of membership each year as its the only way they can ensure your continued cover in their name, its then up to you to reclaim any overpayment, last year i paid via 3 clubs (their rules) and reclaimed two subs later when the last had been paid which was about 2 or 3 months after the first its about time they sorted a pay once and a way to let other clubs know you have full membership as you do with you car insurance Also when you consider the cost of admin at BASC HQ and paper and postage costs to send out multi cards that are not required its a big waste of funds that could be better spent on other things Edited June 11, 2009 by pavman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 That is bloody daft and the clubs should know better, When I join mine they ask to see you membership card. If you do not have a current one then you have to pay the membership to BASC as well. I pay mine through my wildfowling club so they can maintain the affiliation but the other clubs I am a member of I just show the card. Phil, The CPSA card is OK but the NRA one is even better being a proper plastic card with your photo printed on it. The CPSA one is a good idea as you don't need to print individual cards just the details part which you then stick in under the flap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Couldn't agree more The CPSA's is somewhat better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 cheap naff membership card Sounds like a good excuse to fabricate a "cheap naff membership card holder" out of box steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Have you mentioned this to BASC Pav? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I prefer the BASC card to all of the others I have or have had. I keep mine in my wallet at all times (though I haven't really used it) as a just in case. The less thickness that I keep in there the better so far as I am concerned. If you need it to be more durable, laminate it. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SXPhil Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I prefer the BASC card to all of the others I have or have had. I keep mine in my wallet at all times (though I haven't really used it) as a just in case. The less thickness that I keep in there the better so far as I am concerned. If you need it to be more durable, laminate it. Thanks, Rick Thats what I did but it then doesn't fit in the wallet !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Have you mentioned this to BASC Pav? many times whilst as membership sec of a club and on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Hi all, Thought I had covered this off before- sorry if i had not. Firstly, we do offer a members wallet to keep your cards is, all new member are sent one and all existing members are offered a free one - its on the badges and stickers flyers you are sent. But the plastic covered paper card has had its day, and that is why I have been working on getting a plastic card supplier that is: 1. Cost effective- no need to spend more on cards then we need to - sure you will agree 2. Secure - remember we are dealing with people who own guns! 3. Reliable - we cannot have batches of cards 'lost' I have found such a supplier, and the plan is to have plastic cards from 2010 David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Dan, What do you propose BASC make their cards out of, or should that be fabricate their cards out of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SXPhil Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I run a national car club and we use a machine from this company http://www.payne-security.com/home/home.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 The bulk card runs for renewals for example could be 20k plus in the busy months of Sept -January - so there is no way we could do that volume in house - hence the need for a reliable external printer / packer. However, we will use a smaller table top printer for short runs or 'lost' cards for example. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 best option would be a total fulfilment solution so you had the membership pack done and sent out at the same time but I guess thats what you've got Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) Dan, What do you propose BASC make their cards out of, or should that be fabricate their cards out of OK there are two issues here Andy, one is the card (self explan) David has answered the other is the charging and then repayment of multi BASC subs, plz correct me if I am wrong but BASC will repay if you apply for it but if you don’t they keep it? now there must be a way you can pay subs once a year and get a card that states you are a full member paid up till XXX date this could be shown as proof to any additional clubs you have membership with, I am a members of AOWA and NDWA both require you to pay subs plus full BASC each year. I get the insurance letter from BASC twice I get two membership cards with differing dates on them and then I reclaim one of the subs which I get back after some time. This cost me the initial outlay and BASC postage time and effort that’s not required and IMHO is indicative out of dated and substandard systems. I don’t know how many people out of the total membership of BASC pays twice (or more) then gets refunded (or not) but I suspect it’s a more than a few. If the issue is spread income to BASC then direct debits on a monthly basis could be the way forward again with a sensible card issue and data base info for clubs would resolve? If you tax your car you have to prove you have insurance, when you shoot you have to have insurance and be able to provide proof how hard is it? I cant see anyone paying car insurance more than once for the same car so why do you need to pay it for shooting clubs and at what cost is it to members in the long run? Edited June 11, 2009 by pavman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Dan, That is the clubs that are at fault not the BASC, If you join one and pay your BASC dues and then join the other surely it isn't rocket science to understand that all you need to do is show your card? The BASC card has an expiry date on it and proves that you are a member and insured. I know wildfowling club committees aren't the brightest bulbs in the pack but it ain't that hard is it. My club you have to show your card for whatever organisation you are a member of and that it is valid for the whole season and that is that. If you do not have a card or cannot show it then you pay the BASC subs through the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 The reason for needing to pay twice and then claim a refund is this. Say you are a member of club A, whose membership runs from October to October, and you go to also join Club B, whose membership runs from July to July. You show your club A card to Club B and they do not take your BASC sub. Now, lets assume that for what ever reason you do not renew with club A, you will be shooting uninsured with Club B all the way from October up to July. Now the way BASC run it is this – you pay both clubs and then contact BASC and we cancel and refund the membership that has the least time to run – thus making sure you have the longest possible membership and insurance cover.. Some members treat the additional cost as a donation to BASC, others want it back, the plan will be in the near future to automate the refunds to those who ask – i.e. you do not have to keep asking for it year after year. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I have been a member of two shooting clubs and both insisted on BASC membership, which had to be obtained through the club. Their justification was that; 1) They wanted to be sure all members were insured. 2) They did not want the hassle of having to check and record individual BASC membership cards throughout the year, all of which would/could have different expiry dates. 3) I also suspect they benefited from a small "commission" from BASC, by getting reduced subscription rates which they did not pass on to their members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Correct, it is cheaper to join BASC via a club - the discount is £11 for adults- David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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