Mitch Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I believe the legal power rating for air rifles before requiring a fac is 12flb, I have a sgc and use 12g regular but need a quieter approach, Is a 12flb rifle wether .177 or .22 going to be effective for the usual vermin/quarry or is it worth applying for a fac. What are the requirements, I fill all the requirements for sgc and have a police approved gun safe. Any advice anyone can give would be appreciated. cheers all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmiller Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Well, firstly you would need to provide good reason to possess a rifle of the chosewn calibre. This would be supported by written permission by a landowner/tenant/manager who's land is suitable for the chosen calibre. The fire arms department would then assess you as an applicant, mental state, attitude, past records and experience. You would also need either a seperate safe to store firearms ammunition or a new safe with integral seperate locking shelf. All ammo and bolts should be stored seperately to rifles. The fao will then make a decision on all of the mentioned along with security of the house. Think that covers the basics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deny essex Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 A 12 ft lbs air rifle is the legal limit without having to obtain a firearms certificate, land certification etc. a legal limit air rifle is capable of dropping a rabbit at and up to 40 yards with a head shot in either .22 or .177 caliber, beyond that the power is still there to do the job but the recomended normal acceptable range is 40 yards for 12 ft lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Well, firstly you would need to provide good reason to possess a rifle of the chosewn calibre. This would be supported by written permission by a landowner/tenant/manager who's land is suitable for the chosen calibre. The fire arms department would then assess you as an applicant, mental state, attitude, past records and experience. You would also need either a seperate safe to store firearms ammunition or a new safe with integral seperate locking shelf. All ammo and bolts should be stored seperately to rifles. The fao will then make a decision on all of the mentioned along with security of the house. Think that covers the basics? This would be supported by written permission by a andowner/tenant/manager WRONG No where in the guide lines have i been able to find, does it state you have to have written permission...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmiller Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Ok, fair call. But unless your a member of a range. I doubt they are going to give you one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 get a .22lr with a mod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Got news for you i have had my FAC a few years now and it was made an open ticket 3 months after i first got when i applied for a variation, and i have never had permission to shoot in writing from any landowner.. I have just supplied the name and contact number for my farmer and to date they have never even checked with him that i shoot his land...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toombsy Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Getting written permission to use a firearm upon farmland for vermin control must depend upon the county police department. When I applied for mine not so long ago (Lincolnshire police) I was sent a form to be filled in by the landowner/farmer, which was filled in by the farmer, then checked by the Fireamrs Officer, and then he went into my kitchen and rung the farmer to double check. But to reply to your original post... I would certainly try to get your FAC, and invest in a .22LR. They are extremely accurate, very versatile, almost totally silent when a sound modifier is used, deadly for rabbits to 100 yards, cheap to run ammo-wise, and really good fun. I'm well pleased I got mine . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Written permission isn't a legal requirement, but I like to have it. It just reinforces the fact that you are allowed to shoot somewhere and is an easy way to confirm this with the police etc. As far as the FAC is concerned, if you have a SGC then you shouldn't have any problems with your FAC. If you go co-terminous it will cost you an extra tenner every five years, so nothing really. This is assuming you have land that is suitable? If you have the land then go for it, it's a whole new world compared to shotguns and air rifles! FAC air is ok but it costs a lot to get started and your ranges still aren't going to be huge. I think a rimfire is a much better bet, either .22lr or .17hmr. For under 100 yards .22 is good and very quiet as long as the back stops are good and steep? If your ground is flat then the HMR is a dream to use and you can get 150 yards out of it with ease on small stuff. I love my rifles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 To get one or not to get one is a question that only you can answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted July 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Well thanks for that chaps, I`m just not that clued up on air rifles, perhaps it would be a good idea to try a none fac rifle for a while and see what the results are,I have written permission for over 600 acres so I dont think that would be a problem I shoot the land a couple of times a week and have a good relationship with the farmer ( I get cheap spuds) The .22LR was mentioned good to 100yds, surely this is above 12flbs for that kind of range, any recomendations for a sensible priced none fac gun !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted July 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Written permission isn't a legal requirement, but I like to have it. It just reinforces the fact that you are allowed to shoot somewhere and is an easy way to confirm this with the police etc. As far as the FAC is concerned, if you have a SGC then you shouldn't have any problems with your FAC. If you go co-terminous it will cost you an extra tenner every five years, so nothing really. This is assuming you have land that is suitable? If you have the land then go for it, it's a whole new world compared to shotguns and air rifles! FAC air is ok but it costs a lot to get started and your ranges still aren't going to be huge. I think a rimfire is a much better bet, either .22lr or .17hmr. For under 100 yards .22 is good and very quiet as long as the back stops are good and steep? If your ground is flat then the HMR is a dream to use and you can get 150 yards out of it with ease on small stuff. I love my rifles! Thanks 4 that, not sure if farmer will allow rimmies, he`s ok with shotties and air tho, will go and have a word in his shell like, I will have to look into the cost of getting kitted out, I aint got a bottomless pocket, its been suggested that I may need a seperate cabinet, gunna have to kick the wife out at this rate !!! be able to afford some proper kit then !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted July 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Getting written permission to use a firearm upon farmland for vermin control must depend upon the county police department. When I applied for mine not so long ago (Lincolnshire police) I was sent a form to be filled in by the landowner/farmer, which was filled in by the farmer, then checked by the Fireamrs Officer, and then he went into my kitchen and rung the farmer to double check. But to reply to your original post... I would certainly try to get your FAC, and invest in a .22LR. They are extremely accurate, very versatile, almost totally silent when a sound modifier is used, deadly for rabbits to 100 yards, cheap to run ammo-wise, and really good fun. I'm well pleased I got mine . I`ll look into it mate, I`m pretty good with the land/permission aspect, I just need to learn more about this kind of kit before I take it further, my 12 gauges are great but have a tendacy of obliterating the targets at under 30 yards, I will try a lighter cart for now !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun666 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) try a hw80 air rifle,one of the best air rifles on the market 50YARDS + HEAD SHOTS RABBITS DROP EVERY TIME ,you can pick one up for under 200 pound,and the pellets are pennies,compared to fac rifles and ammo,DONT GET ME WRONG FAC IS OUT OF THIS WORLD,,,I USE A 12 GAUGE AND HW80 STANDERED 12LB AND MY 17HMR FAC RIFLE NEVER GETS USED,,,,HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT A MODERATED SHOTGUN IN 410 THE ADVANTAGE THERE IS YOU CAN GO FOR MOVING TARGETS,UNLIKE USING AN AIR RIFLE..GOOD LUCK MATE HOPE YOU GET THERE Edited July 12, 2009 by shotgun666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 The .22LR was mentioned good to 100yds, surely this is above 12flbs for that kind of range, any recomendations for a sensible priced none fac gun !!! Just to clarify for you, a .22LR is not an air rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 You can keep a s1 firearm in with your shotguns but you need to keep to ammo locked in a separate safe , One of those cheap combination safes from makro/machine mart should suffice and bolt it to the top or side of your existing cabinet that should keep the FEO happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethevanman Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Hi, well first of all the .22LR is your best choice for longer range ability and air gun like silence. The 17HMR..is way too loud for the silence you want, or you could go FAC air and have about 70yd range. A friend of mine rates them above Rimfire sometimes but you still have to go through all the same problems that rimfires have to. Like getting the ground checked unless you are open Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 This would be supported by written permission by a andowner/tenant/manager WRONG No where in the guide lines have i been able to find, does it state you have to have written permission...... :yp: :unsure: Totally correct......The written permission is falicy.. My first application moons ago was on a verbal and still is on renewals..... Many bark on about it on here-It is sometimes preferable in certain circumstances but not a legal requirement and never has been-They check up with the landowner anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 11.9ft/lbs is actually the legal limit, just to be pedantic. Anyway, if you're shooting rats, there's really no need for anything stronger than that. There are videos floating about of people shooting 200+ rats in a night with a standard airgun. It really depends how big your problem is and whether it would warrant a semi automatic rimmy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted July 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 try a hw80 air rifle,one of the best air rifles on the market 50YARDS + HEAD SHOTS RABBITS DROP EVERY TIME ,you can pick one up for under 200 pound,and the pellets are pennies,compared to fac rifles and ammo,DONT GET ME WRONG FAC IS OUT OF THIS WORLD,,,I USE A 12 GAUGE AND HW80 STANDERED 12LB AND MY 17HMR FAC RIFLE NEVER GETS USED,,,,HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT A MODERATED SHOTGUN IN 410 THE ADVANTAGE THERE IS YOU CAN GO FOR MOVING TARGETS,UNLIKE USING AN AIR RIFLE..GOOD LUCK MATE HOPE YOU GET THERE Yeh cheers for that info, think I`ll stick to 12ftlb for now, and my shotties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted July 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 You can keep a s1 firearm in with your shotguns but you need to keep to ammo locked in a separate safe , One of those cheap combination safes from makro/machine mart should suffice and bolt it to the top or side of your existing cabinet that should keep the FEO happy. I ve got a locking top box in my existing 5 gun cabinet, but would this need to be seperate or external, coz I don`t put sod all else innit at the mo, too many shotty carts !!!! boxes everywhere!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted July 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 11.9ft/lbs is actually the legal limit, just to be pedantic. Anyway, if you're shooting rats, there's really no need for anything stronger than that. There are videos floating about of people shooting 200+ rats in a night with a standard airgun. It really depends how big your problem is and whether it would warrant a semi automatic rimmy. No mate, there big rats with floppy ears !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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