kentishsteve Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 filling out SGC form and need to know if cautions count as convictions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deny essex Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Put it on, they look for honesty and can find out anyways in their checks, even speeding tickets have to be listed, my FAO couldnt believe i had never had one and asked several times , then admitted he had 2 and was pretty put out with me haveing over 40 years driving and never had a ticket. By the way they also list any incidents that have been reported from your household , to my suprise he came up with a reported attempted brake in to my sons car on the street that happened several years past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentishsteve Posted August 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 ok what about fixed penaltys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryantidgwell Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 i rang my flo about cautions and she said no dont bother putting them down as they dont come in to consideration bu i supose every police force is diferent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentishsteve Posted August 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 ok one more thing i have a conviction for criminal damage 2 years ago what do you reckon my chances of getting a certificate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Yeah it is strange. My FEo asked me about the break into my car than happened in August last year when my window was smashed, I suspect by kids in the neighbourhood. I totally forgot about that bit, my mother reported it since I was still on holiday when this happaened, so yeah when you get a liecence remember than anything that the police might have been called for you will need to explain this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Put all convictions in, at the interview be all honest and dont lie, its upto the feo to decide you should have one or not. I or we cant really have a guess if you should have one or not as I dont know you and thats why you have to have the interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentishsteve Posted August 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 well i suppose the only way to find out is to try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Hi Your conviction for "criminal damage" might be the tricky one, it all depends on how you arrived at being prosecuted for the above, in other words whats your mitigation circumstances for your offence, ie the reason behind you commiting the offence? ie: provacation etc. You have to prove in light of the above that you are a "stable charactor", and a person to be trusted with a Firearm and ammunition with out be a danger to the public or yourself I suggest you ring your FEO and have a chat explaining your intentions and sound him out. Regards Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 If u have a record for criminal damage I would not bother wasting your time filling in the form for a SGC, Your best bet would be to keep your nose clean for the next ten years & then go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 If u have a record for criminal damage I would not bother wasting your time filling in the form for a SGC, Your best bet would be to keep your nose clean for the next ten years & then go for it. Or call the dept. before filling out any forms and either speak to him or arrange a meeting to see how he feels things will go. Just show him your an honest and (fairly) stable guy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky-shot Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 phone your feo and talk to them about it.... they are there to help..you might be ok for your sgc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky-shot Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 (edited) If u have a record for criminal damage I would not bother wasting your time filling in the form for a SGC, Your best bet would be to keep your nose clean for the next ten years & then go for it. i got criminal damage got my sgc Edited August 4, 2009 by Lucky-shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 If u have a record for criminal damage I would not bother wasting your time filling in the form for a SGC, Your best bet would be to keep your nose clean for the next ten years & then go for it. rubbish , just fill in the form and explain to your feo that it wont happen again and you should be ok , i had a much worse conviction and i got my sgc and fac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funky Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 oh dear did not mention the little armed robbery i did in the 60s involving a train HEY HO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 rubbish , just fill in the form and explain to your feo that it wont happen again and you should be ok , i had a much worse conviction and i got my sgc and fac What he said. There are several members here that have, let's say, a colourfull past. Put in your application and wait for the FEO to visit. He'll know all about your 'wrap sheet' before he arrives, so the main reason for his visit will be to recce the 'current' you and report back to his boss. Things like "you can't believe just how embarassed but that I am now. It really sunk in a few years ago when I started paying my own mortgate/rent/council tax/ etc" will go down well. The worst that will happen is that they'll invite you to re-apply in an (in their mind) appropriate amount of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 (edited) rubbish , just fill in the form and explain to your feo that it wont happen again and you should be ok , i had a much worse conviction and i got my sgc and fac Nothing to lose then go for it. Edited August 4, 2009 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 rubbish , just fill in the form and explain to your feo that it wont happen again and you should be ok , i had a much worse conviction and i got my sgc and fac Just as well that donkey didn't press for a full prosecution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveB916 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Hi, My mate just got his SGC, had a caution he did not put down, he got a grilling from the FEO for not putting it down, so probably best to be 'up front' ? Dave B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/help-ad...rm-fitness1.asp I should imagine if you were a violent drunk then you've no chance One should never accept a caution I believe. Edited August 5, 2009 by BlaserF3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) Ultimately its the severity of the offence? and you are going to have to prove to the police that you as a person has moved on leaps and bounds from them darker days You have choices, complete your application with total honesty obviously and submit it, if you run out of space on the application put any extra details you think required in a covering letter, or prempt your application and ring your FEO and arrange an interview to explain your intentions and use his guidance to assist you and he will!!!!! The final decision in any case if your FEO and the Firearms office manager are unsure, always rests with your Chief constable and or his deputy, and you have the right of appeal in any case of refusal where you will have to attend an interview at Police Headquarters (normally) to prove your case that you are a suitable person to be granted a shotgun licence. We all makes mistakes in life if your past error was born out of stupidity, rather than planned etc you should be ok. The police are not stupid they will know your situation Work with them it pays !!!! Regards Alan Edited August 5, 2009 by Alanl50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 You need to be totally honest with your application as they will most likely check you out on their criminal records computor anyway. I have what might be classed as a colourful past which included an offence of being involved in an affray with an offencive weapon (I'm not prepared to go in to any details, especially on open forum) but I declared it on my application form. When the FEO came for his visit I talked to him about it and the "mitigating circumstances" and he left quite happily. I now have both my SGC and my FAC which I do not believe I would have got had I not been open and honest about my "past". You have nothing to lose but everything to gain if you are open and honest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconBoy Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 If u have a record for criminal damage I would not bother wasting your time filling in the form for a SGC, Your best bet would be to keep your nose clean for the next ten years & then go for it. RUBBISH i had a conviction for an offence a lot more serious than criminal damage,the officer mentioned it in the home visit/check,my sgc was delivered very soon afterwards. go for it mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 my solicitor always told me a caution is a guilty verdict without the court , make sure you put EVERY THING down on the form , apart from fixede motoring penalties . if you know you have made mistakes but are a trustworthy guy , the fao will know/make his own mind up at your interview . as most people have said , they aint stupid , he makes a assesment and reports back to his boss with details of what he thinks . but trust me , i waited the ten years to get mine back and its always worth the wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostWomble Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 (edited) Although it is better to have a clean record, if you fall outside of Section 21 of the firearms act 1968 you should be OK. This is the form you have to complete when joining clubs or using some ranges. The general gist is you can't have a gun you are: (1) A person who has been sentenced to preventative detention, or to imprisonment or to corrective training for a term of three years or more, or who has been sentenced to be detained for such a term in a young offenders institution in Scotland, shall not at any time have a firearm or ammunition in his possession. (2) A person who has been sentenced to borstal training, to corrective training for less than three years or to imprisonment for a term of three months or more but less than three years, or who has been sentenced to be detained for such a term in a detention centre or in a young offenders institution in Scotland, shall not at any time before the expiration of the period of five years from the date of release have a firearm or ammunition in his possession. (3) A person who— (a) is the holder of a licence issued under section 53 of the Children and Young Persons Act 1933 or section 57 of the Children and Young Persons (Scotland) Act 1937 (which sections provide for the detention of children and young persons convicted of serious crime, but enable them to be discharged on licence by the Secretary of State) ; or (B) is subject to a recognisance to keep the peace or to be of good behaviour, a condition of which is that he shall not possess, use or carry a firearm, or is subject to a probation order containing a requirement that he shall not possess, use or carry a firearm ; or © has, in Scotland, been ordained to find caution a condition of which is that he shall not possess, use or carry a firearm ; shall not, at any time during which he holds the licence or is so subject or has been so ordained, have a firearm or ammunition in his possession. (4) It is an offence for a person to contravene any of the foregoing provisions of this section. (5) It is an offence for a person to sell or transfer a firearm or ammunition to, or to repair, test or prove a firearm or ammunition for, a person whom he knows or reasonable ground for believing to be prohibited by this section from having a firearm or ammunition in his possession. (6) A person prohibited under subsection (1), (2) or (3) of this section from having in his possession a firearm or ammunition may apply to quarter sessions or, in Scotland, in accordance with Act of Sederunt to the sheriff for a removal of the prohibition ; and if the applicant is granted that prohibition shall not then apply to him. (7) Schedule 3 to this Act shall have effect with respect to the courts with jurisdiction to entertain an application under this section and to the procedure appertaining thereto. So if you are not too shady, have kept out to trouble for a while and give the FEO the impression you are responsible you should get the ticket. Edited August 6, 2009 by LostWomble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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