Sorry to bring this up again but I had too

[jojusa]

im not going to get into a slanging match here. yes, the law is open to interpretation regarding your dog being under control, but i suggest you read this defra leaflet

 

http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welfare/do...wyouleaflet.pdf

 

specifically the bit that says -

 

Any dog is dangerously out of control if:

• it injures a person, or

• it behaves in a way that makes a person worried that it might injure them.

 

now my reading of that is that all it would take is for your dog to be off a lead and run up to say hello (in a friendly manner) to a child, someone panics and reports it, and then youre gonna be in a world of ****.

This happened to my nephew & niece while I had them out in the park playing with a football. Now I didn't report anyone for this but I did have a word with the owner and got the usual "the dog won't hurt anyone, it was just saying hello". Well try telling a 7yo & 4yo this when a dog is running at them and they only think the dog is coming to attack them. That happened around 13 years ago and now those kids are 20 & 17 and still very nervous when a dog is off the lead.

 

I agree with those saying that your dog should have been on a lead and I understand your dog might be very friendly and wouldn't harm anyone or another dog, but please understand other peoples feelings and realise that your actions could have a very long lasting effect. 13 years (and counting) in the case of the owner I had dealings with.

[digdeep]

Lab owners, vein of my life!!! Our terriers are never allowed off their leads unless doing their earthwork. The amount of inconsiderate lab owners around here really boils my ****, their dogs are always off the lead, their dogs always come running up to our dogs (which hate labs), they never put their dogs on the lead until I threaten them, which is usually as I'm trying to part our dogs which are now fighting because the lab is just out of reach and thinks its all one big game, and the owner is saying "dont worry my dog is friendly" WELL GREAT FOR YOU BUT OURS ARENT!! Keep your dogs on their leads, have consideration for others. Rant over, sorry.

[ronster]

as i said OWNERS fault ....either failing to train his dog propperly(should practice his recall more) or not being aware of his surroundings.....

[Pigeon-Detective]

Off the lead or on the lead the SBT should not have bitten your dog mate END OF!

Cant believe people are sticking up for the person with a vicious dog, what if a small child had ran upto the SBT should they also be on leads?

[jojusa]

Off the lead or on the lead the SBT should not have bitten your dog mate END OF!

I agree with what your saying, but if his dog was on a lead it wouldn't have been bitten.

[Lucky-shot]

its your fault :look:

[Pigeon-Detective]

I agree with what your saying, but if his dog was on a lead it wouldn't have been bitten.

 

How do you know this? what if the dogs were both on leads and the lab passed the staffy?

Dont get me wrong I have nothing against the breed, my sister had one and it was a lovely dog, If it has bitten once, chances are it will do it again..

[jojusa]

How do you know this? what if the dogs were both on leads and the lab passed the staffy?

Dont get me wrong I have nothing against the breed, my sister had one and it was a lovely dog, If it has bitten once, chances are it will do it again..

Well I would have thought if his dog was on a lead he wouldn't have let it go near the staffy.

I also have nothing against the breed, I think all dogs should be on a lead.

[WGD]

I side with BFG in as much as there is nothing wrong with the dog being off the lead, mine always are, BUT... it must recall, end of and NO excuses. If a dog cannot be controlled in an excited state then it should be spending time training, not socialising IMO.

 

Running up to strange dogs or people, even in a friendly way which I am sure it was, is not acceptable.

 

I also accept that the owner of the other dog (breed is irrelevant) knew what his dog's reaction would be and took pleasure from the situation, hard to take but you've no option.

[Sprocket]

BFG. Sorry to hear about your dog, and agree that some breeds tend to be more vicious than others -But Personally I think no dog should be off the lead if the owner cannot control it. You say you had no time to react ? TOOT-TOOT- TOOT (a recall whistle) takes just seconds, Stand back and think -who is really to blame here? Next time it could be a passing car that your dog decides to run in front of, How would you feel then?

[bruxie hill]

as i said in an earlier post

what if it was a child

if your dog is agressive put a muzzle on it when you are in a public place

i dont think bfg did anythink out of order by letting his dogs have a run around

none of my dogs would have reacted in that manner to a strange dog running up to it

while out for a run in the park

[digdeep]

as i said in an earlier post

what if it was a child

if your dog is agressive put a muzzle on it when you are in a public place

i dont think bfg did anythink out of order by letting his dogs have a run around

none of my dogs would have reacted in that manner to a strange dog running up to it

while out for a run in the park

 

Our terriers would, and do react to dogs running up to them. Why should I muzzle them? All dogs should be kept on their leads. Also not everyone likes dogs and can be quite scared when seeing dogs off leads. I would never trust any dog off its lead where strangers are anyway, more so parks where children could be playing.

[Sprocket]

I'm 100% with wgds last post, my spaniels are in a very high state of excitement when working on shoots during the season but they must still obey a command irrespective whether its Stop, Sit, Recall etc.

In my opinion, you get out what your prepared to put in -Thats why I train them every day throughout the year, in the end its much more rewarding than letting your dog socialise by licking another dogs A**.

[davecooper1]

This person with the STB must have had this situation before, and walked round well out of the way. I have a border collie and a springer which are allways off the lead, if I see any other dogs I will shout and they both go to ground, if somebody with a STB keeps comeing towards me he would get told to keep it away from my dogs, or any other dog, most people do it any way.

[Boromir]

Well I would have thought if his dog was on a lead he wouldn't have let it go near the staffy.

I also have nothing against the breed, I think all dogs should be on a lead.

 

Mate Im sure this is the same staffie that attacked him last year, not sure though because the owners were different, in that situation I only had one dog at the time and I had my dog on the lead and he didnt my dog still got attacked.

 

I put my dog on the lead as soon as another dog comes into the seen, that is if he is off the lead. He doesnt take notice of other people or children, just dogs that come close.

 

I know its my fault for not having him on the the lead but why couldnt the guy hold back a bit to get my dogs on the lead?

If you saw this guys reaction to his dog attacking mine you would lay him flat, he didnt try and pull it back he just held his arm out letting his dog do what it was doing and afterwards he was grinning and smirking as he walked away and let his dog off the lead when he was on the other side of the field. I had my fingers mm's away from this dogs mouth trying to get it off my dog which I eventually did, the guy did nothing.

[Boromir]

Thats why I train them every day throughout the year, in the end its much more rewarding than letting your dog socialise by licking another dogs A**.

 

********, its one of the most important thing for a dog to socialise with other dogs its part of there training. But with the right dogs.

[jonboy99]

Are you for real mate ? You have dogs over which you exercise little or no control off a lead in a public place . Your dog then takes a charge ( oblivious of your calls ) at a staffie which is minding it,s own business, on a lead , doing no wrong. When your dog gets nailed you somehow absolve yourself of any responsibility and convince yourself that this guy is at fault ! I wonder if the dog had not been a staffie but a flattie, GSP or some other breed that doesnt attract negative press would you have been so quick to apportion blame ? A healthy dose of accountability is what you need mate.

[Boromir]

Are you for real mate ? You have dogs over which you exercise little or no control off a lead in a public place . Your dog then takes a charge ( oblivious of your calls ) at a staffie which is minding it,s own business, on a lead , doing no wrong. When your dog gets nailed you somehow absolve yourself of any responsibility and convince yourself that this guy is at fault ! I wonder if the dog had not been a staffie but a flattie, GSP or some other breed that doesnt attract negative press would you have been so quick to apportion blame ? A healthy dose of accountability is what you need mate.

 

:look: Havent you been reading my posts. The guy deliberately walked in my direction stood there waiting for a reaction which he got.

Read my previous posts I cant be bovvered to type it out again.

[Ozzy Fudd]

Havent you been reading my posts. The guy deliberately walked in my direction stood there waiting for a reaction which he got.

Read my previous posts I cant be bovvered to type it out again.

 

yes, we know he stood there waiting for a reaction, but your dogs gave him exactly what he wanted by not listening to your recall :look:

[ronster]

jeeeezus mate his dog was on a lead yours were not .....its your fault....not every dog is as soppy as a lab...count yourself lucky it didn't do any damage...usually a dog is on a lead for a reason...either your a dosey bloke or your stubben and think its alright for your dog to do what it wants :look:

[jonboy99]

:look: Havent you been reading my posts. The guy deliberately walked in my direction stood there waiting for a reaction which he got.

Read my previous posts I cant be bovvered to type it out again.

 

 

As it happens , i did read your posts . You are assuming that the guy " deliberately walked in your direction " and that he was waiting from a reaction from your dogs. The fact is that you dont know this and it's irrelevant anyway , he was quite entitled to walk where he wanted , because HE was the one who had his dog under control . Sorry mate , but if you had done the same , we wouldn't be having this discuusion . Truth is , it only happened because you weren't in control of your dogs. Thats the long and short of it . And you didn't answer my question. If the incident had involved a 50 year old woman with a dalmation on a lead instead of a young guy with a staffieon a lead , i wonder if you would be insisting that it was deliberate on her part , or are you letting your preconceptions of satffies cloud your judgement . I am a shooter . I own 2 springers and a lab but have had several staffies in the past.......cracking wee dogs they were too. But just like the lab and springers i have now, i accepted that their behaviour was MY responsibility !

[Boromir]

jeeeezus mate his dog was on a lead yours were not .....its your fault....not every dog is as soppy as a lab...count yourself lucky it didn't do any damage...usually a dog is on a lead for a reason...either your a dosey bloke or your stubben and think its alright for your dog to do what it wants :look:

 

God people dont read this right everytime I post a reply everybody says I should have had him on the lead I KNOW I SHOULD OF BUT DIDNT HAVE A CHANCE TOO he is a bit headstrong when excitable if I saw this dog earlier enough or he held back a bit I would of got got my dogs attention sooner, this happened quickly you know. The guy with the SBT was out looking for trouble, if it had been another breed I would of saying the same thing as Im saying in this thread. Im not blaming the dog Im blaming the owner and myself for not seeing him earlier enough. everybody or most people have there dogs off the lead in a public park at least one day in there lifetime.

[shotgun666]

bfg,i know we have had our differences mate,,,ive just spent nearly 1 hour reading all this ,,,as you said the dog is a bit headstrong and you knew this,SO WHY LET IT OF THE LEAD,,as one of my rottys ,i let mine run ,but on two extending leads,,36ft.,,,,WERE NOT PICKING ON YOU,,,were trying to give you the view other people would view,as you have said you dont blame the dog,,sbt,,imagine what you would do if two dogs came running over to you and your dog,,,,,,you would think sugar are they vicious,etc.you have to think safety always,glad to hear your dogs ok,THINK YOUR DOG JUMPS UP AT AN ELDERLY LADY OR A CHILD AND MARKS HER WITH ITS CLAWS,,EVEN THOUGH ITS PLAYING,,,,,,,OTHER PEOPLE COULD SAY PUT IT DOWN,,,AND IT DOES HAPPEN.WE DOG OWNERS HAVE TO BE 1 STEP AHEAD WHEN WE ARE OUT WITH OUR DOGS.

[ronster]

your statement is a little misleading you say in one breath.....Please no posts saying its not the dogs fault....but then in another.....you blame the owner....but then you say you hate the breed....so what is it that you hate about the breed

[Magus69]

I don't normally add to threads like this but I suffered a similar experience about two years ago so here goes.

Apart from my Lab which is quite well trained and recalls instantly on command of the whistle or voice,I also have a Black Fell Terrier which for want of a better term is selectively deaf.

I was walking the Terrier on land which I shoot over on the lead, when she got noticed from a distance by a large Alsation/German Shephard type dog which made a beeline straight for us. I shouted to the owner to recall her dog and got the reply "he's alright just wants to say hello" I shouted back "you don't understand CALL YOUR DOG", at this point it arrived and with tail wagging went straight to Rags.Rags launched and latched onto the Alsations left cheek and shook and shook the Alsation was bleeding,I grabbed Rags and held her under my arm cos the Alsation certainly wasn't wagging anymore.At this point the woman arrived and launched into a tirade of verbal abuse closely followed by the boyfriend along with the sodding stupid comments of both myself and the dog ought to be shot etc,etc,.

After I gave a few choice words back I started to back off and was grabbed by the boyfriend who said I wasn't ******* going anywhere cos they were calling the police,unfortunately for him he grabbed my left arm where Rags was tucked and she snapped at him thankfully she didn't break the skin.

When the police arrived because it was their dog out of control and by definition Rags was under control by being on a lead,they WERE at fault,and the injury sustained is what happens when dogs are out of control.The guy then started to go off on one about being bitten by the dog and he wanted it destroyed,I explained that he accosted me while I had my dog under my arm and yes she snapped at him they asked if I intended to persue charges of assault needless to say I declined.

So if you can't control your dog either KEEP IT ON A LEAD or walk it out in the middle of nowhere.

 

Mike...