bionicle Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Need some advice / guidance. I spoke to the FEO of one of my permissions that I’m trying to get .243 clearance for. The land is cleared for shotgun and Rim fire (.22LR &.17HMR) at the moment. I’ve explained that I have land already cleared for .243 and was seeking to get this permission cleared for fox. The problem is, on one side of it I have a motorway; on the other a housing estate and two schools and not forgetting the railway line that runs through the middle of it. Anyway he wasn’t keen on the .243 but has suggested (maybe) a .22 magnum, 22/250 or even a .223 He has asked me to write a letter outlining my request but I’m not sure what to write. I have given this some thought and obviously I will need to show that I’ve done my home work in regards to back stops etc, I was also considering possible restrictions along the lines of not shooting during school hours... The FEO hasn’t been on the land for a few years so I’ve also offered to meet him over there so we can walk it together, that way I can point out any backstops and potential issues. As you can see I need help on how to draught a letter for the FEO. Any help would be great.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy111 Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) a) How long have you had FAC? Already got a .243? c)Ask for open licence, depending on above. More info on FAC you hold, would be a help to advise. Edited September 15, 2009 by wy111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 What's wrong with a 22-250? You need a foxing rifle, not a deer stalking one. Not many people get offered a 22-250 as a first time centrefire rifle, so I'd snap that up pronto. It's a fantastic round, that shoots as flat as a pancake, so I'd make the most of the offer! When I first applied for my FAC, I wasn't sure what I wanted. After I got offered a 22-250, I thought I'd been done over... Bigger isn't always better though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 ..In regards to backstops. Take him out on your permission and show him. "This is a great backstop" "I understand this is an unsafe shot, but if I positioned myself here, there's no risk to public safety." etc... If you can prove yourself, your FEO will trust you more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy111 Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) What's wrong with a 22-250? You need a foxing rifle, not a deer stalking one. Could argue with that, but each to there own. But if Roe on his permission as well, heyoh. I know it is difficult for newish fac holders, but, i think, go for the biggest calibre you can get, within sensibility. Most foxes and deer are taken under 100 yds, ok, not a great percentage are taken longer. It all depends on what bionicle holds at the moment. Edited September 15, 2009 by wy111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Could argue with that, but each to there own. But if Roe on his permission as well, heyoh. I know it is difficult for newish fac holders, but, i think, go for the biggest calibre you can get, within sensibility. Most foxes and deer are taken under 100 yds, ok, some are taken longer, we read about the few, regularily It all depends on what bionicle holds at the moment. He's asked for a foxing rifle, so his ticket will either say fox or vermin. If he'd said that he wanted to shoot roe, then it'd be written on the ticket and he'd be offered deer calibres, but he legally cannot shoot deer if it's not on his ticket. Therefore a 22-250 is a good round to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy111 Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Err? I spoke to the FEO of one of my permissions that I’m trying to get .243 clearance for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I’ve explained that I have land already cleared for .243 and was seeking to get this permission cleared for fox. Err?I spoke to the FEO of one of my permissions that I’m trying to get .243 clearance for "Err?" what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy111 Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 "Err?" what? Read the original post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 The original post does say he want's it cleared for 243,but he also say's he want's it cleared for fox..so you are both right. You CAN shoot anything with anything but a 22-250 is a more dedicated foxing round in my opinion.So it all depends on whether it is purely for foxes or deer aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionicle Posted September 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 ok I might have written it out a little better. I currently hold and have held a FAC for 10+ years for both rifle and section 1 shotgun. I currently have a .22LR, .17HMR and a .243 which is all cleared for two permissions where I live. My licence says that the .243 is for fox and deer on land already cleared, the permission I’m trying to get clearance for is cleared for .22LR and .17HMR which I use but not for CF. I think that makes sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willcsmith Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 After 10 years of holding a FAC you should have an open licence B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 yep I'd try for an open license before going down the trying to get land cleared that is deemed a bit iify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionicle Posted September 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 After 10 years of holding a FAC you should have an open licence B) yep I'd try for an open license before going down the trying to get land cleared that is deemed a bit iify theres the problem, i live in Lincolnshire, the other permission is in a different county so its not the same FEO.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 doesn't matter if you have an open license you can shoot in any county Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionicle Posted September 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 doesn't matter if you have an open license you can shoot in any county just spoke to my licensing office, my normal FEO has retired.....I explained that he said I could have an open ticket before he retired and I was told to send them a letter along with my licence and they will sort it out for me...... B) sending it off tomorrow..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 (edited) As per the Young Ones, start the letter from a position of authority: Dear Facist Bully Boy, And end it: Boomshanka, Edited September 16, 2009 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Bionicle, As I'm after a .223 on the same land and for exactly the same reason perhaps we should have a chat. Two heads better than one and all that... Raja PS - There aren't any foxes left there B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionicle Posted September 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Bionicle,As I'm after a .223 on the same land and for exactly the same reason perhaps we should have a chat. Two heads better than one and all that... Raja PS - There aren't any foxes left there B) no foxes?, was talking to Baz yesterday and he told me there's loads left over there...... I'll PM you my number.. as i said i spoke to Baz and told him what the FEO said, not sure if you have had a chance to speak to him yet (FEO that is). i'm going over on Wednesday if you want to meet up but can discuss on the call. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 B) i dont see that theres anything to discuss,if your getting your ticket opened then you are sorted!!!! My guy has done the same , he said he would open mine after 2 years and I have had my fac for over that now....now hes retired too!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 As per the Young Ones, start the letter from a position of authority: Dear Facist Bully Boy, And end it: Boomshanka, and do it in crayon to brighten up their day B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinistercr0c Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 No, no, no....its Darling Fascist bully boy....remember? B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Getting your FAC opened seems like the most sensible way to get around this. It makes things much easier! If they wont open it and want you to get a .22cf then grumble about security - you don't want to have too many guns in the house! It is a sensible reason not to buy another gun that you don't really need and they should respect that you're aware of the issue. Also a lightweight V-max or Varmint grenade from a .243 is less likely to ricochet than a heavy controlled expansion bullet from a .22CF. The extra grunt of the rifle along with a really light bullet should make sure it fragments as soon as it hits the ground. Safety wise I feel the bullet choice can be more of an issue than calibre.....Maybe I should add that this arguement got my .300 Win Mag conditioned for Vermin and Fox as well as Deer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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