houlsby Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) Ok so I'm not a "dog expert" to start with.. However, iv just bought a pup (a sprocker x jack) and he's walking like he needs a big dump.. so the missis mentioned it when he went for his jabs. The vets suggested he's got "a weak back end" Now, I wasn't too concerned with his walking as my last springer when I lived with my parents walked like this too.. I'm now a bit concerned as to the little guys future.. seen as the vets said that..will he still make a good gun dog? Or is this just a normal thing with a few springers? Edited April 15, 2014 by houlsby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedd-wyn Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 I've seen many springers do this including my father in law's. How is it off lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houlsby Posted April 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 He's lively as any other 9 week old pup. And he springs like a springer in our overly long grass. (Lawn mower needs to come out) I have noticed he runs like a normal pup too with his back end overtaking the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 What you describe shows poor conformation in the back end. That is to say the dog has physical issues but that shouldn't spoil it from being a good gun dog, which is a mental thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houlsby Posted April 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Sorry I should put have put It across better.. is he likely to have problems retrieving and health wise later on in life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmafud Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 My Lab tries to walk when he is having a dump. Very frustrating when cleaning up after him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 At this early stage it might just be his brain catching up with were his feet are, as his growth slows his brain might remember better. Vets say too much sometimes especially the young ones fresh out of vet school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 At this early stage it might just be his brain catching up with were his feet are, as his growth slows his brain might remember better. Vets say too much sometimes especially the young ones fresh out of vet school Nonsence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Nonsence Well there is a pointless post without any justification or counter claim BTW I think its an "s" not a "c" and I am dyslexic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 I think it is hard to say anything definite as you have a sprocker x jack,and who knows what problems this may or may not cause,best thing is just play it by ear, if he is happy ,not in pain and is a good worker then he's a keeper,time will tell unfortunately as you do not have a lineage to check against properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) Do you mean his back legs bend or crouch when he walks or do you mean his back arches? Jack russells do sometimes suffer from arthritis in the back legs but usually in later life. Edited April 15, 2014 by FalconFN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Kent, thank you for pointing out the spelling mistake, I often rely on spell checker too much. You have opinions on all things dog and shooting related and I find myself in agreement with you in the majority of cases but sometimes you post on issues where you have little knowledge or experience and let yourself down. This is one of those cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houlsby Posted April 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Stop ******* arguing man. No his hips are wider than what they should be apparently if that makes any sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Did the vet check for hip displasia (of whatever it's called)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houlsby Posted April 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Quick video to show what I'm on about. http://s1032.photobucket.com/user/kieran-houlsby/media/dog%20walking_zps2hsuz1im.mp4.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Kent, thank you for pointing out the spelling mistake, I often rely on spell checker too much. You have opinions on all things dog and shooting related and I find myself in agreement with you in the majority of cases but sometimes you post on issues where you have little knowledge or experience and let yourself down. This is one of those cases. How the heck do you think you know that one then? I cannot open the video link but still nobody can say for sure what is up, even the vet without further examination. I have a very long family history with running dogs BTW breeding and working a single line from my great grandparents day at least, ended with the death of the last in 1998 in my hands till she was 13 . I should presume to know if you are a walt or an expert so don't do that with myself please because I don't agree from what amounted to a wild guess on both our parts from the info given. Fact remains the vet said weak back end not unusual in a puppy especially one with such a mixed parentage, yet you think poor conformation without even seeing it, well I bow down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Get affa ya hourse and drink ya milk. Definitely springer, jack russ with a touch of John Wayne in there somewhere. A vet will surely be the best to make comment and if you are concerned after that,get a second opinion. Why did you go for a cross? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 With that breeding his conformation would be the least of my worries when questioning whether he will be a good gundog. Seems to have a strange, stiff looking gait. I'm no expert on health issues but the way he waddles around doesn't look right to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 It works now just like a Norman Collier vid! it does look a little different to say the least. Without sounding callous see how it goes, I suspect you didn't think gundog when buying it anyhow. I am sure the vet can run you up a fair bill investigating but its a fair odd mix who knows how a jasproker might look and walk when its grown a little stronger? How are its siblings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Why am I the only one thinking it may have blocked anal glands ? Does it drag its **** along the carpet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houlsby Posted April 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 It works now just like a Norman Collier vid! it does look a little different to say the least. Without sounding callous see how it goes, I suspect you didn't think gundog when buying it anyhow. I am sure the vet can run you up a fair bill investigating but its a fair odd mix who knows how a jasproker might look and walk when its grown a little stronger? How are its siblings? Na he was bought as a pet more than owt. I wouldn't have minded training him up tho. You'll have to excuse my boys extreme yorkshire accept btw. He sounds nothing like that lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Sorry I meant the stop start bit on playback, for some reason my laptop didn't like playing it (Norman had a famous act in the 70s and eighties) This mico - phon- n- ot -king- rking- pop-urly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul T Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 He's quite long in the hock which gives him a paddling sort of gait. I've seen it quite a lot in shorter legged breeds - particularly smooth coated dachshunds, where the hock is long in proportion to the upper leg. Your lad (as you've said) is also quite wide at the hip, which accentuates it as more of a cowboy type gait. It should change as he gets older and his limbs lengthen and the muscles tighten up (given his sprocker cross), but at this early age I wouldn't worry unduly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actionpigeons Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 (edited) Quote "will he still make a good gun dog? Or is this just a normal thing with a few springers? " Answer: NO! Its not a Springer, its a cross bred terrier with a Gundog, that's if the sprocker was work bred? To be fair once you start talking about a cross being put to a third breed, we are talking mongrel. Sorry to be down on this, it may well make a good house dog/pet, but why buy a cross bred dog if you are looking for a gundog when there are 1,000s of good working bred pups for sale out there. Edited April 26, 2014 by Actionpigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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