Findhorn Bay halt proposed ban on wildfowling.

[edenman]

There are a lot more shooters and wildfowlers out there who have either not bothered to sign this through apathy or plain idlenes.

The antis got to 800 just locals we do very little more for a whole nation of shooters . Any antis reading these threads and there will be some, must be rubbing their hands, to see the weakness of the shooting world on an important issue like this. Its not about if you do or dont waterfowl hunt or if you ever want to go to the bay its about whats fair and right.

 

Just locals and we can barely match this national. Pathetic .

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/moray/785997/more-than-800-moray-reidents-call-for-halt-to-goose-shoot-on-nature-reserve/

I totally agree, and yet when there are attacks on other types of shooting we are expected to help. THIS IS A ATTACK ON SHOOTING, SO GET YOUR FINGERS OUT AND SIGN. Edited February 28, 2016 by edenman

[TONY R]

Has the BASC been involved in this issue? If so what are they doing?

They have been involved, and as for what are they doing.? Well at this moment in time i dare bet they are like me and a good few others absolutly gob smacked at how apathetic such a huge proportion of the people they so stanchly represent, can just sit on their hands and let this happen.

There is more out there who should care but its not them so they sit back and watch.

[edenman]

It's a pathetic result 792, I just checked. BASC alone has over 140,000 members and we struggling to get 1000 signatures. Nobody knows what's going on there has been hee haw co-ordination !

[TONY R]

It's a pathetic result 792, I just checked. BASC alone has over 140,000 members and we struggling to get 1000 signatures. Nobody knows what's going on there has been hee haw co-ordination !

It dont involve them, they dont go they dont care, seeing the bigger picture is just not one of their strong points. Of course some could actively want change on the bay, frightening i know but they are out there, and i have heard them moaning and gripeing in that car park more than once..

[greenergp]

Here is a quote from history that sums up the apathy in the shooting world........we have to stick together.

 

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[drut]

Myself & wife both voted,dissapointed to see only 882 votes as of now.Also dissapointed to see latest BASC mag(unless I have missed it!)has mention of their submission to Moray council re:permit scheme but no mention of or link to petition:not impressed! Although not a wildfowler the opportunity to do so if I wish & the solidarity with other fellow shooters(one for all,all for one)are very important to me.

[m3vert]

Has the guy from BASC on here not been contacted for his support? Is it Dave? Surely BASC should be supporting this 100% and encouraging their members to support, as should SACS and the others. To not reach 1000 signatures is poor show IMHO :-(

[TONY R]

Poor show . i will say so . there are 1800+ pages of MEMBERS on this forum thats 21 a page so if you just take these boards alone discouinting the rest of the british shooting word entirely, its as you say a .....A POOR SHOW.

[fenboy]

Has the guy from BASC on here not been contacted for his support? Is it Dave? Surely BASC should be supporting this 100% and encouraging their members to support, as should SACS and the others. To not reach 1000 signatures is poor show IMHO :-(

It seems BASC are more concerned with assisting putting a permit restriction in place .

Poor show . i will say so . there are 1800+ pages of MEMBERS on this forum thats 21 a page so if you just take these boards alone discouinting the rest of the british shooting word entirely, its as you say a .....A POOR SHOW.

 

I shared it with one group on facebook that has 24000 members it increased the petition by no more than 20 votes .

A case of " I'm all right jack" I believe .

[TONY R]

Think you are right, i just cant see it getting to 1000 in time to do even the slightest good, it was always a long shot. and i will say the person who posted this poll was clerarly an exellent judge of the charecter of the British wildfowlers and knew quite accuratly they would struggle for a 1000 hence the low target goal.

I cant say i am suprised by this in hindsight but i would have expected more votes.

[Dogs]

where are BASC on this ? nothing in the last mag ?

[TONY R]

Well its been mentioned on here they are backing this permit scheme idea, if thats true or not have no idea, but they will be doing their level best with what they have to work with, just like they do with everything that crops up.

BASC have the knowledge base and staff to handle most things given the oppotunity, but as in everything WE MUST DO OUR BIT TOO. Far to easy to sit down watch the world go by and when its all crashed in front of our eyes moan about it.

We cant even agree or get to 1000 misserable votes ourselves never mind pose any real worthwile threat to the antis up there.

My guess is BASC will get the best deal they can with whats available and what they can realisticaly acchieve with so little assistance from the vast majority of wildfowlers in this country.

[greenergp]

I think if WAGBI were still on the go they would have done more about it than BASC are doing.

[edenman]

where are BASC on this ? nothing in the last mag ?

 

Look in Scotland section

[MAB1954]

Yes, in Scotland section of latest mag and seem to support a permit scheme, well that's one hell of a lot more than the majority of the British shooting public so it gets my vote. 100% better than nothing.

[TONY R]

Yes, in Scotland section of latest mag and seem to support a permit scheme, well that's one hell of a lot more than the majority of the British shooting public so it gets my vote. 100% better than nothing.

[Bazooka Joe]

It's a pathetic result 792, I just checked. BASC alone has over 140,000 members and we struggling to get 1000 signatures. Nobody knows what's going on there has been hee haw co-ordination !

 

 

Situations like this you would have thought a 140,000 emails would be sent out asking for support,

 

If you couldn't get 1000 out of that there's something sadly amiss.

[Local lad]

Good day,

 

I have just logged in and seen the amount of support has risen to 954.

I have said it many times on here but thanks you to all those from Pigeon Watch that have added your support and to all those who have been advised by friends and family who are members of this site and made the effort to support us.

I have at last go through to the big shooting mags who have in the last 48 hours added there weight to the cause so thanks to them too.

As I write this I am looking over Findhorn Bay directly at Findhorn wishing the small bunch of tree-hugging, lentil eating incomers would get washed away by the next high tide.

 

The two may stirrers are both incomers, who I am sure in a few years will move on and peddle there disinformation in the local press of some other small rural area.

As usual with these people as long as they can get some eco mulch printed on line or in the press thats all that matters.

One has recently had printed in the paper that she only wants shooting banned but her Face book page says something else (access now blocked), this is the type of lying incomming scum we have to deal with. The other incommer says he wants everyone to discuss the matter but when he talks to others he says he wants a complete ban.

He has one and only one objective, and that is a total ban so he has the beach area in front of his house clear of shooters and can carry out his hobby of photography on his own shooter free foreshore.

 

For the record I am not anti incommers, many embrace the local lifestyle and all our odd ways and I thank them for there understanding.

[m3vert]

I see SACS are also now pushing for signatures on Facebook ;-)

[Local lad]

Sorry about my tablets very poor spelling in the rant above, I hate auto correct.

Just looked at the numbers and the petition called LETS SEE THE END TO SHOOTING OF THE GEESE IN FINDHORN BAY, SCOTLAND started 5 months ago now has 960 supporters 50% of which are from people outside the UK.

The SUPPORT FINDHORN BAY WILDFOWLERS started a few weeks ago (cant find the date) has 988 supporters 99.6% from the UK.

 

Think that speaks volume's!!!!

[edenman]

Sorry about my tablets very poor spelling in the rant above, I hate auto correct.

Just looked at the numbers and the petition called LETS SEE THE END TO SHOOTING OF THE GEESE IN FINDHORN BAY, SCOTLAND started 5 months ago now has 960 supporters 50% of which are from people outside the UK.

The SUPPORT FINDHORN BAY WILDFOWLERS started a few weeks ago (cant find the date) has 988 supporters 99.6% from the UK.

 

Think that speaks volume's!!!!

Hopefully, ultimately Moray council will make the decision either way. 10 away from 1000 as I type ! Edited March 5, 2016 by edenman

[fenboy]

Good day,

 

I have just logged in and seen the amount of support has risen to 954.

I have said it many times on here but thanks you to all those from Pigeon Watch that have added your support and to all those who have been advised by friends and family who are members of this site and made the effort to support us.

I have at last go through to the big shooting mags who have in the last 48 hours added there weight to the cause so thanks to them too.

As I write this I am looking over Findhorn Bay directly at Findhorn wishing the small bunch of tree-hugging, lentil eating incomers would get washed away by the next high tide.

 

The two may stirrers are both incomers, who I am sure in a few years will move on and peddle there disinformation in the local press of some other small rural area.

As usual with these people as long as they can get some eco mulch printed on line or in the press thats all that matters.

One has recently had printed in the paper that she only wants shooting banned but her Face book page says something else (access now blocked), this is the type of lying incomming scum we have to deal with. The other incommer says he wants everyone to discuss the matter but when he talks to others he says he wants a complete ban.

He has one and only one objective, and that is a total ban so he has the beach area in front of his house clear of shooters and can carry out his hobby of photography on his own shooter free foreshore.

 

For the record I am not anti incommers, many embrace the local lifestyle and all our odd ways and I thank them for there understanding.

 

While I fully support the right of people to shoot Findhorn Bay now and in the future I cannot view someone as "scum" just because their beliefs are different from my own , they are just as entitled to their opinion as we are .

I would view them differently if they were acting illegally in trying to reach their aims but as far as I am aware they are not.

The very reason us shooters need to stick together in situations like this is the fact we are in the minority when it comes to thinking killing wildlife is a good thing .

[drut]

I see SACS are also now pushing for signatures on Facebook ;-)

May well be working,just checked : up to 996!

[panoma1]

While I fully support the right of people to shoot Findhorn Bay now and in the future I cannot view someone as "scum" just because their beliefs are different from my own , they are just as entitled to their opinion as we are .

I would view them differently if they were acting illegally in trying to reach their aims but as far as I am aware they are not.

The very reason us shooters need to stick together in situations like this is the fact we are in the minority when it comes to thinking killing wildlife is a good thing .

I don't think it's the differing opinion that is the problem..............it is more to do with an extreme minority trying to force their views on others who hold different opinions and using emotional blackmail, deliberately misleading information and deceit to achieve their aims!

[fenboy]

I don't think it's the differing opinion that is the problem..............it is more to do with an extreme minority trying to force their views on others who hold different opinions and using emotional blackmail, deliberately misleading information and deceit to achieve their aims!

 

Perhaps , but it could also be argued that shooters in general are the minority forcing our opinions on others , as I said as long as what they do is above board and legal then I would not regard them as scum and I would stand by that , I do of course hope they fail miserably in their attempts though.