Ozzy Fudd

is that aimed at me? if so its a bit incoherent were talking about me letting someone use MY gun on land I have permission on, look up the law, as i said it states the occupier of the land (me) can let someone else use the occupiers gun (mine). as for the incoherent bit at the end most (if not all) FAC's in northern ireland are open, so we dont need the police to clear land (i dont anyway), its up to myself whether or not the land is safe to use that type of gun. and as for my friend turning up and using their own gun on one of my permissions, well thats entirely up to the farmer. most of them are happy with my judgment on people shooting as long as i'm there with them. so how am i going to end up in prison?!

as long as you are the occupier of the land its ok. problem is it doesnt specify what occupier is, way i see it im the occupier as i have shooting rights so not a problem

i am not a tout! only thing i can assume is that they know im safe and experienced with guns, so they have no qualms and no need to scrutinize me every time i want to add a new one, they just have to issue the licence failing that they must still have a record on file somewhere of the **** i gave them when they tried to limit me to one gun on my inititial application, so they try to keep their heads down when they see my name :o and the troops are already back on the streets in certain places, they just arent wearing camo... :yp:

if you are going online and go to confused.com, etc, make sure you click on the link to go check the actual policy - alot of the time youll find theres a very high excess, no protected ncb, no breakdown cover, etc

ah well, im sure weve all called someone something after walking away/hanging up the phone, i know i do regularly

apart from the usual fluctuation in rates, the main reason is that the prices have been too low over the last few years due to all the price matching that used to go on between the companies - this meant prices were forced down, so to sustain their businesses the companies have had to put the prices back up again. one of these things!

combination of both tbh, theres a bit of a gap (1/4") but its slightly under 2" height, i just rounded it up to that for simplicity. as long as i have the rough figures then i can fine tune it on targets ps downloaded the hawke ballistics calculator tonight, the figures its giving seem to be a bit more accurate; ill be heading out this weekend so ill hopefully get a bit of testing done

one more

where the hell were you 2 weeks ago when i was scouring ebay for these

cheers mate will do

ive done it a few times

ok, well then there you go

sorry mate, its the federal v shok, dont know any more info. heres part of the table i was using for the bc, its from chuck hawks Cartridge (Wb@MV) Bullet BC 100 yds. 200 yds. MRT@yds. MPBR (yds.) .17 HMR (17 SP at 2550) .123 +1.5" -5.5" 1.5"@100 165 .204 Ruger (33 BT at 4225) .185 +1.1" +1.0" 1.5"@150 275 .22 LR (40 HP at 1255) .100 -3.0" -40.9" 1.5"@45 90 .22 WMR (40 HP at 1910) .100 +0.5" -19.0" 1.5"@65 123 .222 Rem. (50 Sp at 3140) .220 +1.4" -0.4" 1.5"@118 222 .223 Rem. (45 Sp at 3550) .167 +1.4" +0.2" 1.5"@130 235 .223 Rem. (55 SP at 3240) .235 +1.4" +/- 0" 1.5"@120 230 personally i thought the bc of a .22lr would have been about 0.14, so the 17hmr should have been about 0.2, ill have a play with it later on and see if i can get the figures closer to what's been posted mc, are you talking about the ballistics calculator or the poa, etc? if its the calculator the reason im faffing about with all this technical jargon is i havnt had the chance to stick a load of targets out at different ranges yet, and i know from previous experience with a .22lr at longer range that its easy to waste 20 or 30 rounds (and do a good bit of walking in between) before youve even hit the target, never mind hitting the bull now ive got the info i can set the targets out at different ranges and have a good idea where the rounds will hit, then its just the fine tuning and learning the mil's :thumbs:

thanks nick, ill get that tonight wymberley i thought the bc might have been off, that chuck hawks link in the first post shows the .17bc as being .123, yet .22lr is rated as being .1!! or it could be my ballistics calculator ill play about with it tonight and look at the alternatives and see what figures i can get thanks everyone :thumbs:

ive been sticking to a max range of 150 yards til i got the stock extender and stuff through, got it all last week so ill be getting a few hundred rounds on saturday morning and going out to play think i need a new ballistics calculator then, any good (free) ones to download? :thumbs:

basc have been trying to hurry them up for a while now :thumbs:

mine arrived today, only gripe is there was no batteries included and ive had a nightmare finding those 3v batteries lately (my laser takes them) so ill be getting the rechargeable ones soon. havnt had it out yet except in the back garden, put a red filter on it, might be a bit too dark, hopefully get out tomorrow or thursday to test it properly :thumbs:

:thumbs: good luck, let us know what happens

you know i've been thinking about that. maybe it just was pure luck mine was so quick, but (conspiracy theory time) could it have been because i started kicking up a fuss on here and contacting mla's?

ooooooh that brings back memories :thumbs:

so who's still waiting on their fac? ollie?

dont

ah the good old emergency ones, exposed over long periods of time to adverse weather -anyway rust helps to camoflage them... :lol:

what happens when you take two of the rounds out?? :thumbs: oh aye, and did you find that empty eley cart on a beach near markethill?? :lol:

sorry guys can i cross check some figures for the 17hmr if possible? muzzle velocity is 2530 fps (federal vshok), bullet weight is 17, zero range 100 yards, and ballistic coefficient (as per chuck hawks HERE) is .123, scope height (measured from middle of scope tube to middle of bore) is approx 2" so the figures im getting are 50yd +00.13" 100yd 00.00" 150yd -03.30" 200yd -11.14" 250yd -25.40" 300yd -48.24" does this sound right? sorry ballistics calculator is doing my head in, and havnt had the chance to go out and do a full test at different ranges :blink: