Will Beasley

Believe me.......We wont be going anywhere near this. The "problem areas" you speak of will be full of problems much bigger than the Pigeon damage. It'll all collapse in a year or two's time after its become a squabbling mess between Shooters, BASC/NFU, and the landowners themselves. I'll be continuing to serve the farms I look after as best I can....as I have been for the last 23 years.

So would I!

Glad your chuffed with your gear bud!!

QUOTE i hope the magnet dosent break it took 6 months 12 phone calls to be told it could not be sorted so tuff!!!!!!!! (never again)QUOTE This quote is a total LIE, no doubt posted in spite from a trader under a different guise. We stand by our products 200%, and pride ourselves on giving people good value, fastest delivery, and aftersales service second to none. We've been established 17 years. If ANY of our products go wrong we do our utmost to get the product repaired or replaced ASAP, and 6 months and 12 phone calls is SO not us. Perhaps the user Sl1959 had confused us with another company??? I notice that the original post by sl1959 has been removed by the user. Hmmmmm wonder why...... wussy.

To a paying customer whos looking to book a guide on face value and judge the guide based on the days results..... a Pigeon Guide is ONLY AS GOOD AS HIS LAST DAY. Thats the bottom line. Having done this job for over 15 years now let me tell you...... it's ******* hard work when you take on novices, clients with "high expectations", young London city slickers who want birds "on demand" as they're accustomed to on daddies expensive pheasant shooting estate, and people who simply wont accept the fact that their "wants" on a days guided decoying are completely flawed by their lack of knowledge, skill and aptitude. Some clients hit the right spot on the right day and to the client the guide will be the greatest thing since sliced bread.... and on the trickier days, - simply because money is involved, - the client can sometimes put in no effort in thinking/hiding/paying attention/being alert 100% of the time instead of reading a porn mag or Financial Times, and heres the buzz word.... "actively HUNTING", and thus the guide gets the blame. I have no sympathy anymore with clients who want to put in zero effort, and will actively cull them from my bookings. Success in this game relies on effort not only from the guide, but also the client. The times when Pigeons sail into the decoys kamikaze style for "Tarquin, investment ******" from London who wants push button pigeons on demand" are few and far between these days. My apologies to anyone called Tarquin on this forum who's not an investment ****** from London who I may have offended :-)))). Just because you book a days pigeon shooting with a guide makes NO Guarantee, AND please prospective clientelle.... YOU ALSO HAVE TO WORK AT IT SOMETIMES... no... in fact MOST OF THE TIME. These birds DONT want to get killed, EVEN IF YOUR PAYING FOR IT!!!

the basic one has a three spike footing, comprising of a center spike and 2 more spikes left and right. if you were to stick it in the ground you would be left with an imprint like this * * * The Pro-Motion Rotary features a 4 spike footing and adjustable arm attachment points so you can raise and lower the arms for varying conditions and crops. The Pro-Motion is the most popular of all our range and at the price is super value. I know we're selling it but its a tidy rotor and its what I use, as well as the Optima Rotor from our range. The Optima rotor footing goes into even the hardest of ground with incredible ease, so no more pouring your coffee on the soil to de-frost it in winter/summer.

Oh Deeeeeear. Still so much hate for us Pigeon Guides.....

These are the only trousers I wear nowadays. They aint cheap, and they're not a branded "hunting brand" however these guys supply all the Police and Military in the UK and other countries too. What you want is Arktis Falkland Trousers. These bad boys WONT let you down despite Harkila/Seeland/Deerhunter guarantees. These are the only trousers that live up to their claims and I've tried lots. Ive just ordered two new pairs and my originals have lasted 12 years, totally waterproof and out every day during the "wet season". You wont beat these, http://www.countrycovers.co.uk/products/17/falkland-trousers-waterproof and by the way I'm not sponsored or have any connection with Arktis, I just know their products are the best of the best, and their performance is superior to all the available "hunting brands". Have a look at www.countrycovers.co.uk for more of Artktis's kit, its what the Police, and Special Forces use.... That in itself is an unbiased recommendation!

100% RIGHT. Absoluteley bang on advice given there, all these factors can make or break a day, get all of them right and youre in for a biggy. If one two or three of them are wrong..... results will worsen. Couldnt have said it any better Hamster. Man knows what he's talking about.

Fiesta usually, or any wiper that outputs at an RPM of 40-45 RPM.

We are aware of a problem which has occurred with the new style Hypa Flap Plastic mounts, recently received by us and as mentioned in the thread below..... http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/177378-rotary-and-hypaflaps/ <<<<<<the only problem with the later Hypaflaps is the attachment is now plastic,when you try to tighten them the plastic tube deforms and doesn't hold the decoy in position,so you tighten it more and they slip,happened to a mate of mine,i got the older model with the steel attachments.no issues.I like them and i think they can out perform a real bird as the create more movement << All Hypa Flap decoys have now been ammended and come with a Metal threaded insert to allow full ( I.e Gorilla tight!! ) tightening to whatever you wish to mount them on without deformation of the plastic mounting bracket. Thanks.

Respectfully, I'd like to reply to that. Recently we have had several farmers contacting us in preference to their usual "hobby shooters" as we can be there the next day guaranteed, make a concerted and strategic ALL DAY effort to kill as many birds as is possible, and clean up every last cartridge, sandwhich wrappers etc at the end of the day. Their stance on the matter ( and it seems a pretty uniform theme judging by the opening conversation ) is that they had "a few old boys" who they'd phone when the pigeons were battering the poo out of the rape. These guys would rock up randomly 2-5 days after the phone call from the farmer, set up in the easiest position possible on the field which didnt mean a long walk, park a hoofing great 4x4 25 feet away from their hide, stay there for an hour and a half shoot 5 cartridges for a couple of pigeons and then pack it all up again after a short while and go home. Then come the summer time they'd be banging on the door nigh on hammering it down to shoot the pigeons on the rape stubbles which they put SO much effort into protecting for the farmer during the winter. Is it any wonder the farmer prefers a guide to Bill and Ted who rock up whenever they please, put in little effort, chop whacking great big holes in hedges and pi$$ off the gamekeeper. Dont take this personally as I quoted your post scolopax but as a guide I know we have several thousand pounds invested in Land Rovers modified with mud terrain tyres, wheel spacers that fit the tramlines so they dont make a mess, 2 quad bikes and trailers, chairs, hide poles, nets, deeks, magnets, shell decoys lofters..... the list is ENDLESS. not to mention the phone calls made to and from clients on the day and before their booking, land rents, insurances, the dreaded FUEL ( I average 120 miles a DAY, running round looking after clients, moving birds, changing the odd hide etc .....every single day ), depreciation of equipment, replacement of equipment (often broken by clients are hide poles stamped to death into the ground and bent and snapped, cammo nets cut with knives to form peep holes so they can see out of them, busted seats where they've flopped down so hard in them they've broken, Pigeon magnets left to fall over and catch fire. How much more do you want? Still think I'd make Dragons Den? I can hear it now... Peter Jones a telecoms magnate worth 200 million...... Theo Pathitis a retail magnate who owns La Senza and Rymans the stationers... Will Beasley... Pigeon Shooter. Its all time effort and money invested, and speaking as a guide what we charge is certainly NOT 100% profit.

We've kept prices the same this year, and until Nov 1st we only do guided. However its absolute pants right now. With it being so dry and warm the spring rape and peas arent growing, and consequently pigeons are still feeding on buds, short spots in winter OSR and clover. And its hard to pin 'em down. Very hard!!