sterling

Yeah, what's an extra 40,000psi anyway... :o

Still for sale - going up on evilbay on friday.

Haha, yeah being up side down has its down sides, but on the up side, I have an up side down computer too.

Hi all, For sale is a Brattonsound ST3 - full length 3 gun cabinet. It's never even had a gun in it and is still under warranty. I'd intended to use it as a second safe for an expanding collection but plans have since changed. £80 collected from Kidderminster area. (Cost £120) and please no offers folks. Cheers, Sterling.

Thanks, I'll have a look at that. Cheers for the replies guys - it's all interesting info!

I'd put money on Eley fourlongs being subsonic - they're by far the quietest cartridge through a moderator and they're cork/fibre wad too if that's what you have in mind for them. The 3" subsonic Eley extralongs are much louder but do throw 18gram of lead instead of the fourlong's 12.5gram. Also try lyalvale express 2.5" - they're not advertised as subsonic but they are very quiet and I've never heard a supersonic crack from them.

Yeah I honestly wouldn't fancy hopping out of bed at stupid o'clock in the morning to shoot somebody's maimed pet either! I think my vision of turning up to a scene, dispatching the deer, high-fiving the police and heading back home with a boot load of venison might have been a bit unrealistic. ^_^ Interesting to hear about what responding to a deer collision is actually like though. Amazing what some people do whilst the rest of us are sleeping!..

Jesus, I hadn't thought about the vet's drug being in the meat! The roadkill deer I ate was one that was clipped in the head by our truck when I lived in the US. Admittedly the front end was a bit of a mess and dressing was a fairly bloody affair but there was very little meat lost and it kept us in venison for several months. Interestingly though, we found an expanded pistol bullet in the poor thing's neck. Thanks for the reality check though lads, this obviously isn't a good idea. I'm doing DSC1 in feb and there are deer on my permissions, so I'll just put in for a variation instead. Thanks again anyway!

Hi all, Wondering if anybody here is on the police call-out for deer traffic collisions. If so, what's the typical setup? I'd be particularly interested to hear from folks in West Mercia. Is there a selection process before being added to the call-out? What kind of interaction do you have with police/public prior to and after you've dispatched the animal? Do you remove the deer from the scene etc.? I've eaten roadkill deer in the past and because I'm not deer stalking currently, I thought I might be able to help out at RTC's locally and source some wild venison at the same time. Thanks for any info!

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I assume ribless - without a rib. Elliott, try York Guns, they used to be the UK importer of mossberg barrels.

As others have said; subsonic is a lot quieter than HV through a moderator because with HV you're hearing the bullet breaking the sound barrier more than the actual gunshot. Even with subs though, most rabbits will respond to the sound of your shot and the sound of your bullet impacting the rabbit next to them. Rabbits also have a habit of twitching/flipping all over the place when headshot and this can spook the other rabbits too. The more you shoot a particular piece of land, the more the rabbits will associate your activity with danger and respond to it. As your FAC is for target, I'd be very surprised if you've never used subsonic .22LR's. They're generally more accurate, quieter and the standard for most clubs. Some target match ammo is hollowpoint but not designed to expand, whilst some hunting solid points are designed to fragment. Ballistics is a complicated game but to be safe, stick to solids until you have the expanding condition on your ticket. Your RFD was mad to sell you hollowpoints!

Okay, this might not answer your question of "if you could have just one" but I really like Hugh Fernley Whittingstall's book, A cook on the wild side. It's perfect for using to prime girlfriends, wives or mothers in law to eat your squirrel or rabbit dish without thinking you're a weirdo. For some reason if Hugh or Ray Mears or Heston Bloominthingy eat it, it must be ok.

Same story in Worcestershire for me - even with the lamp, I'm only spotting one or two a night. Seen no sign of myxy this year so I guess it's just the weather. The lack of shooting is a pain but the vegetable plot is certainly looking better for the lack of rabbits!

Haha, might as well get her (yourself) the Jack Pyke stealth "Sunday best" dress then...

Now SOLD thanks! Brand new - still with the tags on, Jack Pyke hunter's hat, size medium. (Unwanted Christmas present). They're £19.95 in the shops - £10 posted.

Now SOLD... Thanks.

Cheers Colin. The solids are just for range use around 50m so I don't think the cci quiets will fit the bill. They look like they'd bridge the gap between air rifle and full power rimfire though. I'm just after an affordable target solid that groups ok and will eject live. I reckon there's a market for .22lr sample packs because it's a pain having to buy a full box to find out your rifle hates them!

Spot on switch - you ever thought about a career as a detective? . In my cz452 american, the Winchester subs shoot 1/2" groups at 50 metres all day long, extract live and whack rabbits harder than any other round I've used. They're also pretty clean, quiet and so far don't seem to have the odd supersonic round in the box like some brands do. As far as high velocity goes; the 38grain Eley hollowpoints seem to perform really nicely and aren't worryingly tight in the chamber like CCI and Eley subs are. Now I've got to find an affordable solid target round that the gun likes...

Now SOLD, thanks!

Hi all, I've finally found a round that's quiet, groups well and will eject live from a tight chamber, so now for sale are: .22LR: 40 x Eley subsonic (hollowpoint) 75 x CCI subsonic (hollow point) 85 x Remington thunderbolt (solid) .22 short: 50 x Eley (solid) £7 for the lot, collection from Kidderminster DY12 area. Goes without saying that you'll need your FAC with relevant conditions. Thanks!

Tell you what Shaun, I'm aware that there's scuffs on it and it's not perfect and it's Christmas so I'm happy to do £75 posted. There shouldn't be any paypal fees if you're just sending money from paypal to an email address without involving ebay. PM sent...

In metallic reloading, backing off 10% from a load recipe is fairly standard practise and should be safe but shotguns are a different kettle of fish for whatever reason. Now the science is boring but relevant which is why it's just safer to stick to the recipe and not get into the geek side of things. At the very least, If you back off a shot load you can get improper ignition, insufficient pressure for consistent combustion and a generally **** performing load. On the other end of the scale; in a very light load, it is possible to expose a lot more powder to the initial primer jet. This combined with a light load of a fast burning powder can cause a detonation. The shotgun becomes a grenade basically. This isn't just possible, it actually happens. I've only been reloading shotshells for about a year so I'm just a novice really but I've reloaded a few thousand .38 specials and just as many USPSA 9mm major loads which don't suffer fools gladly. There are people on here who know sooooooo much more than I do about reloading but hopefully I've clarified why I dont advise deviating too much from shotshell data.

Most new reloaders don't know the difference between a parallel or compression case though. They will also back a load off and think that's a safer starting point - which it really isn't. They might also think they can work a load up like their rifle/pistol loads and watch for pressure signs - which doesn't work with shotguns. I was just voicing an opinion. I've been called a lot of things, but scared... not so much.

Sorry for not responding chaps! Despite following topics, I don't seem to get notified when a new response has been posted - I only spotted this by chance. To answer your questions, I obtained the new permission via the old "knocking on doors" method. It was short lived however as the landowner's wife and daughter wouldn't condone rabbit shooting. I'm not desperately short of places to walk around with the guns, it just happens that those sites don't have any quarry on them. It's got to the point that I'm looking to buy/lease land with a decent population of rabbit, pigeon and deer on it - if such a place exists! Good luck with your search lads...