dazza Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706913.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 have to say i would expect more people to come forward if shots were actually fired, as any shot even silenced rimfire can be very loud in an inclosed place not sure about how genuine it is, if it is true at least someone is taking action against these people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 I would agree, we need action and we need yesterday! The guy sounded surprised that the would be terrorist was shot! Its the right course of action, assuming it was justified. Regards, Axe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted July 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Terrorise the terrorists :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul in North Lincs. Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Lets hope that the chap was infact a terrorists, and not a pakistanni shoplifter who ran when he got caught pinching a mars bar from the Kiost!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 An American friend emailed me today, and part of her email was........ "If these idiots ever picked up a history book instead of a Koran they might see what London looked like during the battle of Britain, and they would realize that they will never defeat Britain with bombs !" :( :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 its true, its quite remarkable how well london has coped with it might have given away most of our kingdom, but we sure as hell are going to hang onto the little bits tony blair and co havent given away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Craws Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 You cant treat this news article as gospel because we don't know if the guy was a terrorist or even if this event took place. It wouldn't be the first time that a trigger happy policeman has gunned down someone for no reason; Table leg. It wouldn't even be the first time that someone has made up a story like this just to get famous out of a tragic event. Five bullets seems like a bit of a fantasy. If this event is in fact real then this raises serious questions about how the police are handling this (if in fact it was the police and not an intelligence agency). If the man was held under control of the police and therefore an opportunity arised of arresting him then why wasn't this done instead of effectively executing him? This isn't a banana republic that we a residing in. I thought this was the British Isles where everyone is entitled to a fair trial. By gunning people down in the street then aren't we sinking to the level of the terrorist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M ROBSON Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 If an armed police man tells you to do something..........YOU DO IT!!!!!!!!! Anyone who doesn't, especially after recent events, deserves to get shot! Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palombier Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Craws If as you say you don't know the facts why are you then guessing what happened. Why not wait and find out? It is easy to sit behind a keyboard and moralise/hypothesize about something you know little about. P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrie0 Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Suppose he had a bomb on him , with the trigger button in his hand . The copper does'nt know if he has/has'nt , what would you do ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Craws Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 CrawsIf as you say you don't know the facts why are you then guessing what happened. Why not wait and find out? It is easy to sit behind a keyboard and moralise/hypothesize about something you know little about. P Hold your horses. Just read my post again, I wasnt guessing anything. I would tell you face to face my opinion, this just happens to be on the internet. I'm not scared to excercise my right to free speach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 (edited) I have a friend in the Met Anti Terrorist Branch. I asked the question about 'what if he was unarmed etc'? His reply was this (altohugh it isn't an official statement!!!) The rules of engagement have been changed, suicide bombers should be shot with a view to killing them, rather than 'disablin' them - the Met's normal firearms protocol - this policy change was announced on the news at lunchtime today. This guy had been under surveillance for a number of hours and had been followed into the tube station in an operation involving over 20 officers. On being challenged he leapt over a security barrier and headed for the platform. With the officers in pursuit, caling for him to stop, he tripped trying to get onto a train. As he fell to the ground an officer made the decision to shoot in case he was wearing some sort of device that would kill the officers, the offender and people on the train. There was no way of telling, if a device was being worn, how it would be activated or if activation was possible if the person was being restrained. The bullets used are subsonic low velocity rounds, to prevent riccochets and collateral damage. The guy had an unusually heavy jacket on and the officer decided to take no chances. END Personally, I think it will become public knowledge that this 'victim' was involved in the bombings yesterday and had been identified by the personal papers found at one of the failed bomb sites. No one runs awayt from an armed policeman 'by accident' and certainly doesn't willfully leap over barriers. The press report that the Muslim people fear a shoot to kill policy. Why would anybody fear that, unless they are doing something wrong? I think this is a positive message to potential bombers (terrorists) - come into our playground, mess with our classmates and we'll f*uk you up bigtime......should have adopted the policy years ago. PP PS Lady Pieman works in london and I fear for her safety every day she now gets on a train. If it keeps her safe I'll handload the bullets if required. Edited July 22, 2005 by Mr Pieman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyCM Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Pieman, I am concerned about the current policy. My concern is have the police got enough bullets ? Cheers AndyCM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 They will have - if members sign up to the handloading programme :( :thumbs: PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyCM Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Ok great, I have the press, just let me have the die set and powder etc. I'll work 20 hours shifts. AndyCM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMY Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 I've watched this with horror over the last couple of weeks. The police come in for a lot of critisism on this forum. I say, "he who hesitates is lost" in the current climate down there. Mistakes may be made, but hey that's life. It's time the British goverment and it's Representatives got tougher, with real Law Breakers. China could certainly teach the UK how to deal with their criminals no Sat TV and Snooker tables I can tell you!!! Rapists, executed! Murderers executed! Tax evader executed... but maybe that is taking it a bit far! Hammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 :( If I was a bad guy sneaking around London I'd be very worried about now! Plain clothes coppers are very hard to spot - unitl they shoot you of course :thumbs: PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul in North Lincs. Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 (edited) If an armed police man tells you to do something..........YOU DO IT!!!!!!!!! Anyone who doesn't, especially after recent events, deserves to get shot! That is assuming they have a basic command of the english language MRobinson. .............just imagine If you were a visiter in a foreign country, and didnt understand the language, and 3 burly blokes yelled at you and chased you with a pointed a gun..... I would envisgae that you too would **** your pants and run like Joe ****!!!!!!!! Lets hope that this was indeed a legitimate killing of a terrorist suspect, and nothing more sinicter!!! :( Edited July 22, 2005 by Paul in North Lincs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Paul, I don't think the Met would have spend half of yesterday and all this morning following a poor, unsuspecting visitor or non-english speaking national :( PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 It was interesting listening to the news at 1pm on BBC Radio 4. The Interviewer was talking to an eye witness and the questions were all slanted towards, "Where the Police acting correctly". Questions like, "Did you hear any warnings shouted by the Police ?", "Did the Police identify themselves during the chase ?", "Did the man being chased appear to resist before he was shot ?", "Did the man appear to have a bomb, or a weapon ?", "Was any attempt made to subdue the man, as an alternative to shooting him ?" ........the answer to all these questions and others similar was, "No". I think the Police may get some flack over this from certain parts of the Media. Just imagine the sympathetic outcry, when we find out that he came from a broken home. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 (edited) Things is though, most countries learn English as it is the international language. Even India with its 20 or so different states, all of which speak a different language, actually use the English language when it comes to court etc, as this is the common language spoken! At least now, the terrorists will be thinking twice. They normally expect to get away with things and i'm sure they feel as though they can hide out pretty well. When infact this shows that they are not safe and can be found. I feel sorry for the London'ers, it must be turning their world upside down. I've spoken to some of my customers in Regent St. and surrounding areas, all complaining things are very quiet on the business front. I hope the Police find and finish all the would be terrorists. Regards, Axe. Edited July 22, 2005 by Axe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badsworth Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Sadly I've been expecting this development for a long time. No doubt there will be initial shock and outrage expressed by people in many quarters. However - what else were the police to do? In Israel suicide bombers have been known to work in pairs. One carries the bomb and another a remote triggering device. If number one has second thoughts, or is tackled (or killed) number two sets off the device. Can you imagine what the cops were thinking as they chased him? If he was carrying a nail bomb a LOT of people were very close to death - including most of the police. For my money they deserve a medal. I hope they get one. (Before anyone bleats - all the news agencies are now running this story - it looks genuine) Badsworth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Hats off the these officers out there protecting us. Takes some balls to tackle a suicide bomber. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Hats off the these officers out there protecting us. Takes some balls to tackle a suicide bomber. Dave Ditto that Dave , takes a certain kind of guy/girl to be a cop in this world , BRAVO TO THEM ALL , im glad somethings being done ,as to the dumb*** who got shot , oh dear how sad never mind , it may be a lesson to all if the cop says STOP then bloodywell STOP , no guilt no worrys right . Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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