Dunkield Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 This comes up time and time again. I would still like to know, preferably for one of our police members, if the police would not respond to an 'armed man' type call if they knew someone was shooting in that area? I can't help felling, with the amount of flack the police get when they get it wrong, they would still respond to be on the safe side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I would still like to know, preferably for one of our police members, if the police would not respond to an 'armed man' type call if they knew someone was shooting in that area? I used to shoot with Norfolk Police's firearms commander, a Superintendent, who told me that the force had a duty to respond immediately to any incident involving firearms. I understand that it depends how the incoming call is graded by the control room, and how hard the Police are striving to meet their 'detections' targets. Pedro or Dirty Harry will no doubt be able to enlighten us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 This comes up time and time again.I would still like to know, preferably for one of our police members, if the police would not respond to an 'armed man' type call if they knew someone was shooting in that area? I can't help felling, with the amount of flack the police get when they get it wrong, they would still respond to be on the safe side? Hawkeye and myself were involved in an incident a couple of years ago, involved helicopter, 2 armed response and a beat bobby? it passed off amicably BUT the beat bobby (*** 1st class) said HE wanted notification either personally ( gave personal number) or via the force control room if we were to shoot there again (which we have many times :look: ) armed lads were more relaxed even knicked a pigeon or two! the firearms dept told us that they did not want "every tom **** and harry" ringing in to report they were shooting as they would be inundated, also the control room told us that even if we had phoned in if an "incident" was reported an arv would STILL attend? so what the hell is the point? plod just makes his own rules up and plods along on the spur of the moment, they really do KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted October 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 The two police last night were not(to my knowledge)responding to "gunshots" or "armed man" type thing and just happened to come accross us while they were looking for someone else i.e white van man.Like i said they were quite amicable,didnt want to look at guns,licenses, permission slip or anything.They did a license check on motor(by the way he radiod it in as "i have just stopped a party doing legitimate pest control could you give me a vehicle check).So there manner was good and when the motor came back ok they just asked our names and left.It was the bit about phoning every time you go out shooting or you will end up with armed police pointing guns at you that annoyed me. Anyway we got a big dog fox so the night was not wasted(53 and counting). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I always black up when lamping with face paint and if approached claim to speak no English :look: Got offerd a house and cash once by a nice lady who thought i was trying to catch my dinner, she told her mate I must be cold and tired and inbound from Eastern Europe "poor thing" works better than saying you are all legit and a native Englishman :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I think Al4x made an excellent suggestion, the more positive interaction there is between the police and shooters the better surely? David OK just phoned licensing and was told "Reporting that you are going shooting has been in force for 5 years and you should report where you are shooting what time you are going and when you will be finished...EVERY TIME you go shooting :look: "If the area covers more than one local station you should phone both stations" and "This is just to cover yourself" (whatever that means ?) Your always banging BASC's drum David, surely this is worth a phone call to put Northumbria right on this issue then ? Problem is with this, it will eventually become part & parcel every time you go shooting, if shooters bow down to the requests of the likes of Northumbria, same as the DSC-1 is starting to be included for the Deer Condition. Waste of time up ours phoning anyway, one night poachers were reported, a cop car turns up, drove round in circles, wouldn't even get out of the car :look: . I for one won't be phoning. BJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 "It s a farce because they say it's been in force for 5 year yet this is the first i have heard about it." Never been mentioned to me either,even when I have been stopped & questioned(polite but thorough). Personally I object to a lawful activity being subject to different whims of different police forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Al4x is absolutely correct, it is not a legal requirement ,however the BASC CoP on lamping has always suggested that it is a good idea to let the police know when you are out at night. BUT in real terms even if you have called and the police get a 'complaint' they will still may take a decision on whether to not to send an officer to investigate or an ARV. BASC are currently re-writing and will then re-distribute our guidance book to the police on firearms and shooting. David That bit is not quite true , up until e few years back basc told folk openly on forums that it was not a legal requirement and advised members not to do it. they now have changed there views, not sure why though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGadger Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 As far as I have heard, Lancashire are a bit gung-ho on the firearms issue. In Cumbria there was a plan for Cumbria and Lancashire to merge forces and our FLOs were dropping bricks at the prospect. Lancashire do things "their way" I was told. One of my mates was shooting pigeons on his own land in Lancashire and was threatened by one of their armed response teams, guns cocked, shouted at to drop his weapon (it was an empty 12g IN THE SLIP") and approach slowly with his hands in the air; all this with a couple of H & K s trained on him over a police car bonnet. He was loaded down with shot pigeons, decoy bag and cartridge bag. Some old biddy had reported gunshots near her house. In his words after he had stopped s****g himself, was that it looked like an episode from Starsky & Hutch. He got an apology from the Chief Con (in person), but did not put in a complaint for fear of being harassed by the lower plods. FG There seems to be some conflicting information between different Police Authorities. Here in Lancashire I was advised to call in EVERY time I go out shooting, which I do! The way it was explained to me was that if a report of someone shooting was phoned in and the "shooter" had not logged in it could result in the Armed Responce Unit being mobilised. However, if the shooter had logged in then if a report came in the police were in a position to explain that the person was shooting perfectly legally and the person concerned need not worry!As I have said, I always log in because there are a few "Anti Shooting" bods in the area who seem to have nothing better to do than try to make life as uncomfortable as possible for the shooters - I had the police turn up one day because there had been a report called in saying that I was using my shotgun on the road, the police turned up, things were sorted and they went away happy. However I was told that had I not logged in the Armed Responce Unit would almost certainly have been mobilised for this (Totally unfounded) report. (The person making the report has done similar things with a fellow shooter that shares that particular permission with me in the past and has now been warned about wasting police time) I must add that our local police station where I log in have always been very polite to me and always thank me for letting them know! Maybe other police forces see the situation differently but I will stick to what my FAO has advised and what the local police are happy with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiho Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Easy way to sort this go out lamping everyday for a fortnight with the loudest rifle you have or a shotgun and they soon work out its you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Fair comment ForeighGadger but as a relatively new SGC and FAC holder I am maybe a little naieve on this matter so I have acted on the advice that the FAO gave me. I can also see what some others are saying about if everyone keeps doing it then it "could" be put on new certificates as a condition. I also have to agree that at times it can be a hastle but if I feel that for the time being it is better to act on the advice I have been given by my FAO. We will have to see how the situation pans out in the future! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted October 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 can't you just open a log and say you're out every night BB and heres your mobile number. Thats a farce and would involve a gamekeeper phoning them twice a day every day Not workable.....Poaching is on the increase in our area and one of the farmers has reported hearing a "shot" from these poachers.Now police being police,lets say a bullet strikes a passing car or a distant house and muggins here is on record with them to say i am out shooting that night in that area.That would be me up somewhere without a paddle. I would have to phone 2 police stations and nine farmers every time i went out after foxes if we went along the inform everyone route Considering this is the first time i have actually been stopped compared to the amount of times i have been out with lamp and rifle i wont be informing them everytime.The farms i go on are quite remote and no-one has called so far after shooting hundreds of foxes on the land and if it wasnt for poachers/thieves in the area i would never see a cop car. So untill i have to i won't be calling the police everytime i go shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traztaz Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 From my Ex Police experience! It's standard procedure to be honest. Unfortunately there are far too many "experts" out there ready to report and incident from "their days in the army....usually". The common one we used to face was i used to shoot regularly and it was a "way bigger bang than a 5.56!" Followed by an armed response to investigate. Unfortunately most of the time a waste of time and money but every now and then it was well worth it.....But then, the forces MP5's rounds had a habbit of bouncing off their targets! They done't use 9mm anymore! Good god people like you wind me up!!Its mostly ex army and it sounded louder than 5.56. ......................take a look at yourself, do you think we only fire 5.56 in the army? Do you not read the news/look at it on the telly each day, the last person in the world you want to be preaching to about caliber and its report is a soldier.GET BACK IN YOUR BOX AND BORE OFF YOU NOBODY!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Good god people like you wind me up!!Its mostly ex army and it sounded louder than 5.56. ......................take a look at yourself, do you think we only fire 5.56 in the army? Do you not read the news/look at it on the telly each day, the last person in the world you want to be preaching to about caliber and its report is a soldier.GET BACK IN YOUR BOX AND BORE OFF YOU NOBODY!! oops. think you may be best reading it again Traz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traztaz Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Unfortunately there are far too many "experts" out there ready to report and incident from "their days in the army....usually". The common one we used to face was i used to shoot regularly and it was a "way bigger bang than a 5.56!" Followed by an armed response to investigate. that enough for you? re read, my backside!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Unfortunately there are far too many "experts" out there ready to report and incident from "their days in the army....usually". The common one we used to face was i used to shoot regularly and it was a "way bigger bang than a 5.56!" Followed by an armed response to investigate. that enough for you? re read, my backside!! your a ***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traztaz Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 why's that then mark? Is it because we the soldier do not know the difference between teeny weeny little bullet crack and a large caliber or is it because you can not admit that you have posted somthing that is in no way shape or form correct? please feel free to pm me or even call me to discuss it further, you can get my number by pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traztaz Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Just so all know, I have now sent him my number by PM to see if he wants to discuss it, not wqaiting on the phone ringing mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 why's that then mark? Is it because we the soldier do not know the difference between teeny weeny little bullet crack and a large caliber or is it because you can not admit that you have posted somthing that is in no way shape or form correct?please feel free to pm me or even call me to discuss it further, you can get my number by pm. read the tread from the start , then you will see he is referring to phone calls to the old bill from joe public. i know your a squaddie but do try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Mark give me chance to pop out for a couple of cans and some popcorn KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 From my Ex Police experience! It's standard procedure to be honest. Unfortunately there are far too many "experts" out there ready to report and incident from "their days in the army....usually". The common one we used to face was i used to shoot regularly and it was a "way bigger bang than a 5.56!" Followed by an armed response to investigate. Unfortunately most of the time a waste of time and money but every now and then it was well worth it.....But then, the forces MP5's rounds had a habbit of bouncing off their targets! They done't use 9mm anymore! just in case its too hard for you to find traz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Mark give me chance to pop out for a couple of cans and some popcorn KW Looks like someone had to many cans to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) Good god people like you wind me up!!Its mostly ex army and it sounded louder than 5.56. ......................take a look at yourself, do you think we only fire 5.56 in the army? Do you not read the news/look at it on the telly each day, the last person in the world you want to be preaching to about caliber and its report is a soldier.GET BACK IN YOUR BOX AND BORE OFF YOU NOBODY!! Was merely a reflection of the calls we used to receive often, not a dig against squadies! We used to have tones of calls each week from people claiming to be experts hoping to be treated more seriously or for their concern to be dealt with quicker than the next call! Challenging when your already juggling 30 jobs in your tray on a good summers day! No offence meant by my comments at all, just a statement of what we have to deal with and thus respond to.....on blues and potentially risking ours and the publics lives whilst travelling to. Edited October 18, 2009 by Skippy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Was merely a reflection of the calls we used to receive often, not a dig against squadies! We used to have tones of calls each week from people claiming to be experts hoping to be treated seriously or for their concern to be dealt with quick than the next call! Challenging when your already juggling 30 jobs in your tray on a good summers day! No offence meant by my comments at all, just a statement of what we have to deal with and thus respond to.....on blues and potentially risking ours and the publics lives whilst travelling to. you may need to type a bit slower Skippy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Now im lost Mark? Sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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