lurcherboy Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 I have all the links to those that companies that sell them, but now I want first hand accounts of which ones are best, the ones YOU own. Shooting at a maximum of 40 yards. LB Thanks chaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 Bloodyhell lurcher boy spend your money on a good lamp (400m +) and put a STRONG red diffuser on it ..................If your silent you'll never spook the bunnies .For 40 yds save your money or if you haven't any sense go for generation 2/3 not 1.Went on a makers night with these things and unless your willing to part with £1500 + i would'nt bother .You really do get what you pay for with these babies Sorry for the abrupt response Ive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 of 5 Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 Had a d141 Gen 1 briefly - total rubbish. Went back to a lamp. I've tried Gen 2+ and that is FAR better. As above, if you can't afford Gen 2 or better I'd stick with a lamp. If you must get gen 1 the Falcon unit is highly regarded as one of the best. The NS156 is also highly thought of (secondhand only now) and the even older Night Super is good but VERY heavy at 4 lb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 (edited) couple of the guys at the club have a flacon unit and they swear its the best thing since sliced bread but really would advise to try before you buy ROB Edited August 21, 2005 by roblade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 i used to have a gen 1 falcon that was pretty good but now i've progressed to a d141 thats had a gen 2+ upgrade, it's got an extra laser iluminator and an optical doubler that takes it to 9xmag,even with nv you still need to use good fieldcraft but it doesn't half make life easier with lamp shy rabbits,on a moonless night with a bit of wind you can walk right up to the rabbits . lb yhpm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 I have two gen 1 N/V set ups pns 4.6x52 and an atn aries? had good results with both? both needed a lot of getting used to (particularly the pns with chevron reticle! the atn aries 390 paladin very very usefull bit of kit,like the pns needs additional illumination I use a deben max pro, and will pick rabbit out CLEARLY at a couple of hundred yards with this, rats in a barn with its own illumination no bother at all have accounted for alot of rabbit at night particularly on one shoot where they spook at the first sign of ANY light (thanks to sodding lampers who should not be there?) cheers Kw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Speak to Steve Parker RCA, a mate of mine. I'll give you loads of info. He uses a Kite. Got £6000 spare ? Jonno357 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 I had a look through a unit last Tuesday night. Not sure what make or model it was but for me it would take a while getting used to it It is like watching a television screen. Everything is 2 dimensional. I can see why it is handy because it opens up a whole new world! Still at 600 pounds I shoul blinking well hope so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Lurcher Generation 1 was in my price range £250+(2 years ago )i think they were made by cobra and in my opinion they are a unnecessary gimmic for 40yds .It was'nt until i looked through a Gen 3 that i realised how pathetic the 1 series was and then ........the person representing Spring field Army &Navy stores (Burton on trent )Bought out a Gen 4 WHICH was'nt for sale and we looked through this WELL With the infra red beam it made the field we were in look like daylight,i mean there was no moon and only a few stars and here we were looking through the ULTIMATE pest control aid .It was a bit like taking a Range Rover Vogue for a test drive and then only having the money to buy a Fiat Panda 4*4. Out of 20 Guests Springfielsd NEVER made 1 sale If the Military are on Gen 5 then i think The 4 range will be open for sale to the public and if cash is no problem go for one of these babies as i haven't a clue what they cost Cheers Ive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex lad Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 LB, This is the one i use its a ATN paladin 3900 with deben max pro with an IRfilter http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/BWHITCOMBE/nv1.jpg For the money you can't beat it!! It good enough to take bunnies out to 60-70 yards an night easy!!! and foxing out to 100-150ish yards on the .223!! Cheers, Brian........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Nice set up Brian ,what gen is the scope and how much did it cost +if you accidentley dropped it on a farmyard court what would you do other than look for the nearest oven to stick your head in? I've got the Deben max pro myself ,and i,m very impressed especially when i use it with the red filter. Cheers Ive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex lad Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Deadeye ive, This is link to where i got mine from its £375+vat its gen1+ all the details are on the site http://www.nightvisioncentre.co.uk/ the ir filter is about £20 drop it? been there done that!!!!!!!! luckly it was in its nice padded case so no oven was needed!!!!!! Cheers, Brian... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted August 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Gentlemen, as usual you are all bloody stars! Thanks very much for the info. I am shooting in a garden where the furthest range is 40 yards. I have overshot it to keep the owner happy but now the scutails have sussed me hence the NV question. I have the dosh Jonno but its in a joint account and would be noticed if it went missing I will keep you posted but think I may just try the red filter on my Logun, cheers Deadeye Thats a nice bit of kit Sussex Lad LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Lurch Would the missus note £125 go missing ,if not go for the Deben Max Pro and red filter and with the dimmer you could tail the light given off right down to suit your 40yds At full power(400m) with the filter on the beam only reaches 125m so if you put a red filter on the logan you might find the beam given off no use at all.If the rabbits become skittish with the red change the colour to amber or green or maybe purple .........do they do a purple? Any body thinking about going down the NV route Ring Mark at Springfields Army &Navy Stores Burton on Trent .He orginises or use to orginise (been over 2 yrs)trips out with this gear .It cost me £10 ,If you made a purchase you got your £10 back ,if not you were given a £10 voucher to spend in the store Cheers Ive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Deadeye ive,This is link to where i got mine from its £375+vat its gen1+ all the details are on the site http://www.nightvisioncentre.co.uk/ the ir filter is about £20 drop it? been there done that!!!!!!!! luckly it was in its nice padded case so no oven was needed!!!!!! Cheers, Brian... Yes i see we are now able to purchase gen 5 at a little under £4000 which means the military are on Gen 6 NV Optics .........Lucky b**tards Tis a nice scope though .The Gen 1 i looked through was British ARmy and taken off a SLR and was the same type used in the Falklands campaign,Massive it was and heavy ,,,,,,,,,,,,just goes to show how technology advances. Cheers Ive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 (edited) £375+vat the ir filter is about £20 Sorry, got the price wrong in my previous post! Sorry Brian!! A bit off the £600 I said :*) Must have mis-heard, still it makes it that much more of a bargain! Edited August 22, 2005 by SNAKEBITE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 I have two gen 1 N/V set ups pns 4.6x52 and an atn aries? had good results with both? both needed a lot of getting used to (particularly the pns with chevron reticle! the atn aries 390 paladin very very usefull bit of kit,like the pns needs additional illumination I use a deben max pro, and will pick rabbit out CLEARLY at a couple of hundred yards with this, rats in a barn with its own illumination no bother at all have accounted for alot of rabbit at night particularly on one shoot where they spook at the first sign of ANY light (thanks to sodding lampers who should not be there?)cheers Kw I too have the VOMZ PNS 4.6 x 52 GEN1 and have to say i am VERY impressed. It has the PRO illuminator 100mW and i can make out rabbit with NO prob to around 50 yards and eyes out to over 100 yards. As a night shooter i tend to shoot out to 30 - 35 yards max at night and at that range i can make out every detail on the rabbit with my GEN1 Lord Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 (edited) if you dont want a dedicated gun just for nv then try and look at an xvd unit, mine is gen1 but i have a laser illuminator when brightens things up no end. i use it for .22lr, .17hmr and fac+12ftlbs air rifles. you loose all the hassle of setting up a dedicated gun and i can swap it from rifle to rifle in seconds. it just goes on the back of your day scope and uses the same reticle and mag range. the standard illuminator is good for 12ftlbs ranges and the laser unit extends thing to 90+yds with a long detection range if you have a semi decent scope. click here for some pics on my sako (the ones done under flash in the dark :yp: ) Edited September 8, 2005 by mark_hammond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOLTA Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Deadeye ive,This is link to where i got mine from its £375+vat its gen1+ all the details are on the site http://www.nightvisioncentre.co.uk/ the ir filter is about £20 drop it? been there done that!!!!!!!! luckly it was in its nice padded case so no oven was needed!!!!!! :blink: Cheers, Brian... Yes i see we are now able to purchase gen 5 at a little under £4000 which means the military are on Gen 6 NV Optics .........Lucky b**tards Tis a nice scope though .The Gen 1 i looked through was British ARmy and taken off a SLR and was the same type used in the Falklands campaign,Massive it was and heavy ,,,,,,,,,,,,just goes to show how technology advances. Cheers Ive Hi, Slow down there a bit, please. First of all. There is no more than 3 Gen. (4 in all - according to the old concept) then we are talking NV. This is according to the USA Army and I would agree with them in this matter. To take the socalled Gen. 4 first. This is just a Gen. 3 stepup and not a new Generation. To be a new Gen. you have to use a new concept and the filmless "Gen. 4" is actually based completely on the Gen. 3 concept. Nothing new there !!! Second. I have not heard about any "Gen. 5 or 6" yet. If there should be any information about "these" then please print it with source material or guide us to the information. Actually, I don´t see the need for going higher than Gen. 3 in picture quality - the same thing says the US army. And don´t confuse the XD-4 and the XR-5 tubes with any Gen. higher than Gen. 3. These tubes are only Gen. 3 tubes with filmless technology - the socalled "Gen. 4". Cheers - Bolta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Thanks for the clarification Bolta ,Having looked through a Gen 4 (As mentioned by the rep) or so called gen 4 i must admit it did occur to me as to where could they improve it .And yes i did confuse x-r5 as higher gens :*) :*) Cheers Ive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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