Jon-Boy Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 (edited) Just careful they dont mistake your permission letter for a firearm when you take it out of your inside pocket No jokin you heard the story of the bloke with the table leg on the news. I mean, these armed response units dont half come in heavy handed!! I know there is the argument that they have to be, but a "man over a farm with a gun" surely there is very good chance that he is a hunter??? couple of months back me and a few shooting friends had to carry out a goose cull under licence from defra. After our second visit, we had a phone call from the land owner about an hour later. Informing us that the armed police had turned up saying someone had phone them saying they had just saw three guys shooting shotguns!!! This was at a river holiday resort where all the boat residents had previously been informed.. It was clear we were shooting geese!! and not people!! So be aware this does happen even when your minding you own business carrying out a legitimate sport.. What makes me laugh is that it was "an Hour"! later, surely a real criminal would be long gone!! Edited November 3, 2005 by Jon-Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris lewis Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Jon boy , I thought you were a real criminal . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon-Boy Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 shhh!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargeant Bang Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Stuart P is right. You can't say how the cops will act, they're unreliable and inconsistent at best and stupid at worst. Fact is that having something on you signed by the land owner WITH a contact number is better than having nothing at all to show them if challenged. Regardless of what everyone, including the BASC, says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 My advice is to get a letter it takes you 5 mins to do and stops a whole load of sh?t with the police, or the landowner may take a funny one day so cover your ****. If you aint got a fac with less restrictions (open ticket) then the police will want a letter to prove you have authority to shoot on there before they go and check the land out. If other people are on there I would firstly not worry about what there procedure is ie getting a letter cover your own back. I also allways let the land owner know when we are going to see if anyone else is around plus the farmer thinks your sensible and knows how often your over there. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 My advice is to get a letter it takes you 5 mins to do and stops a whole load of sh?t with the police, no it wont. the police will want a letter to prove you have authority to shoot on there before they go and check the land out. no they wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 ok then markbivvy your right and westmids firearms is wrong i shall ring em now . if the land is not already on their system why would they waste their time going to check it out if the guy who wants to shoot it only has his word as proof that he can shoot it. I'm only telling you how it was for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I agree with getting a written document to show you have permission to shoot on the land. In my mind this is essential regardless of the rifle being used. If you are in any doubt of the laws in your county, the best thing to do is to phone the firearms department and discuss your situation with them. Unfortunately, different counties do have different operating procedures and requirements, not to mention by-laws etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 hi William. nowt to do with me mate, home office guidance paragraph 13.4&13.9. I agree with getting a written document to show you have permission to shoot on the land. In my mind this is essential regardless of the rifle being used. hi Axe totally right mate. but not law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I'm only telling you how it was for me. thats because you let them get away with it. west yorks checked 3 for me where farmers would not sign.( before i got a open) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 (edited) Mark, Not a problem mate, agreed the law does not state you must have a written letter. My law however, does. Infact I go to some length to ensure the written documents I carry with me, regards to shooting permission, show not only an agreement of the permission but a map and overhead picture of the permission. Granted my permissions are not 1000 acre estates, i'll cross that bridge when I get to it. Infact, the FEO was extremely pleased with the way I adress this matter. Just hope the ticket arrives sooner rather than later. Edited December 1, 2005 by Axe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 hi mark I was only telling you how it was for me, as for letting them get away with it, well it makes no odds to me getting a letter together. regards. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 (edited) hi gents. William. i shoot on over 40 farms, some of farms are now run by the sons,s of the farmers that first gave me permission, i have taken some of these lads out many times shooting . they treat me like family.they know the law better than me. so if they say "mark you dont need it in writing",what do i say to that. do i insist upon it, or take there word that if the old bill turn up they will sort it. the police have a habit of insisting on things that they have no right to do. its up to you how far they make you bend. basc if your not a member and having grief. Axe. as i said to William, 40 odd farms. i have a multi map A4 print out of every one,also a A piece of paper with the signed shooting arrangements of the ones that are sighned stapled together. this is a fair lump, more like a book. i could leave it in the motor,but if it gets nicked it would take weeks to put back together.i could photo copy it all but i cant be *****. what i carry is, 2 pieces A4 paper stapled together with every farm, address, phone number. on it thats all i need to provide.the police cant take, guns or anything else of you if you are doing nothing wrong. as for farmers going on holiday leaving stock to fend for itself, right. Edited December 1, 2005 by markbivvy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Mark you have no argument from me. Sounds to me like were singing off the same hymn sheet. So, now can we go down the pub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 mark I know and appreciate what your saying I have two or three places where my children play with their children and I see the farmers on a a social aspect too. On the other hand I have 6 or so more places where I'm the guy who shoots for them and thats that a letter as you know don't take long.. Now can we go the pub? Regards Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 right off to the pub, my round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Mark, can ya stick it in the bin, its gonna take me 4 1/2 hours to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 after 41/2 hours in a pub i would be in a bit mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 So you'll be easy to spot then, flat our on ya back making gurgle noises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 Coming into this a bit late I know but for what it is worth........ Get written permission, it cannot hurt and MIGHT satisfy the plod. If not then you have not lost anything. These letters could act as proof when you go looking for new land that you have experience. It also shows the land owner that you are responsible enough to consider the implications of your actions. Belts and braces, and it can't do any harm to 'er on the side of caution can it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 My FEO told me he will only accept written permission for any land I shoot on till I get my open certificate - which will be 3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 glad iv not got your flo you dont need written permisson to shoot on land i dont ask for it but i know i could get it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 This thread is looping a bit now. So, hopefully, to summarise... You don't need written permission to shoot on any land. You should try and get it where possible but it is not the law, verbal is fine if that is all you can get. There is no set period to getting a open certificate after getting your FAC, it is based experience, ammo used and under what conditions that ammo was used, and it is at the discretion of your FLO and his boss. I got mine very quickly and very easily, but I am not about to plaster the 'how to' up on the internet The End? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 amen to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 This thread has deviated somewhat from its original subject, so we are locking it. If anyone has anything to add, please start a new thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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