tweedledee Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 guys i have read all the threads on here regarding the hatsan escorts.whilst i admit there must be something good about them(cheap),i have to say when i handled one it felt awful.i know it`s half the price of other autos but it`s also missing that quality feel to it.i`ll go now and put the kettle on and wait for the onslaught. just my little rant about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blister Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 guys i have read all the threads on here regarding the hatsan escorts.whilst i admit there must be something good about them(cheap),i have to say when i handled one it felt awful.i know it`s half the price of other autos but it`s also missing that quality feel to it.i`ll go now and put the kettle on and wait for the onslaught. just my little rant about them. well here is the on slaught i have shot the escort against people who have these so good guns that have spent hundreds or thousands of pounds for thes so called quality guns yes look good all in the nice wood and all this ballance that people go on about but at the end of the day its who is pulling the trigger to you they might be cheap to the other person thats all they can aford i have three one is fac great for wildfowling the people i have taken on my land say wish i had one its just a good hunting gun and its steel profed and mc you say missing the quality look at the new one out the lezour all in wood and they do one thats comes with 2 barrells bet you have a ou have you ever fired a escort magnum because it looks cheap to you and as you sAY QUALITY HOW CAN YOU make jugdement againts a gun u have not used or fired the gpmg is a ugly gun but the army used them for years but do u know what a gpmg is and what calli it uses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 nice bite on the first reply keep em coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted February 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 sorry if i`ve upset you.i don`t shoot expensive guns either but i`m saying i`d rather buy an older secondhand gun than a new escort. they just feel tacky to me.i know some guys out there use them to good effect. just saying there not for me.go and get yourself a second hand beretta and when you rake the bolt back and forward a few times you will see what i mean.maybe just the 3 escorts i lifted had sand in them? they felt awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Im with tweedledee on this, I shot a berretta urika and an escort, and the hatstand just felt like there was quality missing. I just didnt like it, and If i was in the market for a cheap auto, I would go secondhand, beretta A303 or something like that. Much older but much better quality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW80 Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 well here is the on slaught i have shot the escort against people who have these so good guns that have spent hundreds or thousands of pounds for thes so called quality guns yes look good all in the nice wood and all this ballance that people go on about but at the end of the day its who is pulling the trigger to you they might be cheap to the other person thats all they can aford i have three one is fac great for wildfowling the people i have taken on my land say wish i had one its just a good hunting gun and its steel profed and mc you say missing the quality look at the new one out the lezour all in wood and they do one thats comes with 2 barrells bet you have a ou have you ever fired a escort magnum because it looks cheap to you and as you sAY QUALITY HOW CAN YOU make jugdement againts a gun u have not used or fired the gpmg is a ugly gun but the army used them for years but do u know what a gpmg is and what calli it uses I take it by FAC you are saying it takes more than 3 shells, do you really use it for wildfowling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blister Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 sorry if i`ve upset you.i don`t shoot expensive guns either but i`m saying i`d rather buy an older secondhand gun than a new escort. they just feel tacky to me.i know some guys out there use them to good effect. just saying there not for me.go and get yourself a second hand beretta and when you rake the bolt back and forward a few times you will see what i mean.maybe just the 3 escorts i lifted had sand in them? they felt awful. but how can u make a jugdement with out shooting one one you say tacky to you shot one first maybe they wernt oiled thats why they sounded like sand paper but shot one then see as it is they are agood work tool they fire 3inch to 3/12 inc cart i know a lot of these so good makes that wont shoot 3/12 cart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Hey Mate they are rough and ready it reflects in the price that the difference for you but you answered your own questions!!!! as for the action well as you use them they do get smoother but they are never going to match the 2 B's makes, but for functionality, good working tool, you are not going to beat the price, to be honest I cant see why you posted the thread, Hatstands are wearing out on the controversial side of the argument. It s marmite time Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blister Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Hey Mate they are rough and ready it reflects in the price that the difference for you but you answered your own questions!!!! as for the action well as you use them they do get smoother but they are never going to match the 2 B's makes, but for functionality, good working tool, you are not going to beat the price, to be honest I cant see why you posted the thread, Hatstands are wearing out on the controversial side of the argument.It s marmite time Alan yes u are right alan 50 u like them or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 I just cant help hitting stuff with my 20g Hatsan and it grips much better than a wood stock when wearing gloves. If it rains or sleets who gives a damn, plastic and parkerizing wont get hurt. I also disagree that the cycling is any rougher than my Urika 391. To be honest I don't notice either cycling, but i'd rather carry the hatsan for miles than the Urika at a pound and a half less weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blister Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 I just cant help hitting stuff with my 20g Hatsan and it grips much better than a wood stock when wearing gloves. If it rains or sleets who gives a damn, plastic and parkerizing wont get hurt. I also disagree that the cycling is any rougher than my Urika 391. To be honest I don't notice either cycling, but i'd rather carry the hatsan for miles than the Urika at a pound and a half less weight. thanks at leats some one is on my side lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 thanks at leats some one is on my side lol 1 year old, 4000 +carts no missfires, no jams, no blown barrel, same O ring, covered in mud, rain, and snow still going strong I wont swap it, sell it, £275.00, 3 years warranty 5 chokes :look: Bargain most certainly, It only lacks the Essex trimming job duck tape and jubilee clips IM working on that though lol if it broke tomorrow Id send it back under warranty and nip out and get another one as a back up possibly a 20g Its my first choice for hide work Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 i'm a hatsan fan, when i went looking for a semi there was a second hand beretta not the urika but the one thats similar and it just didn't feel right weighed a ton didn't come up right to my shoulder and then tried the hatsan and it just felt right, it is what it is at the end of the day its a cheap semi but mine did it's job and only jammed when i got some 28g no6's 65mm long but was fine with everything else and i regret getting rid of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) well here is the on slaught i have shot the escort against people who have these so good guns that have spent hundreds or thousands of pounds for thes so called quality guns yes look good all in the nice wood and all this ballance that people go on about but at the end of the day its who is pulling the trigger to you they might be cheap to the other person thats all they can aford i have three one is fac great for wildfowling the people i have taken on my land say wish i had one its just a good hunting gun and its steel profed and mc you say missing the quality look at the new one out the lezour all in wood and they do one thats comes with 2 barrells bet you have a ou have you ever fired a escort magnum because it looks cheap to you and as you sAY QUALITY HOW CAN YOU make jugdement againts a gun u have not used or fired the gpmg is a ugly gun but the army used them for years but do u know what a gpmg is and what calli it uses The trouble is you do shoot better with a better quality more expensive gun. Its in the mind set when you have a Beretta,Browning or a Benelli in your shoulder. It somehow makes you unsupassable in ability. Don't ask me why its just somemthing owning a 'B' gun does for you. Mungler and MC both own the pinnacle of 'B' guns- Blaser's. Before they owned a Blaser they rarely shot a 30% round of clays. No tuition, no guidence just bought a 'b' gun and now they shooting A class.Maybe some others can expand on that. Proof is in the pudding and all that. Edited February 12, 2010 by starlight32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulABF Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 I use an Escort. A magnum, mossy oak obsession. Like my todger, it's old, knarled and rough and the birds don't like it up 'em! It's the gun of choice every time I go shooting and hasn't let me down yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonySmith Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 The trouble is you do shoot better with a better quality more expensive gun. Its in the mind set when you have a Beretta,Browning or a Benelli in your shoulder. It somehow makes you unsupassable in ability. Don't ask me why its just somemthing owning a 'B' gun does for you. Mungler and MC both own the pinnacle of 'B' guns- Blaser's. Before they owned a Blaser they rarely shot a 30% round of clays. No tuition, no guidence just bought a 'b' gun and now they shooting A class.Maybe some others can expand on that. Proof is in the pudding and all that. Interesting point, so if you brought a Blaser from the off....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Interesting point, so if you brought a Blaser from the off....... Its right you know. If you don't own one borrow one for the day and see what difference it makes. I mean look at John Bidwell. He started shooting clays in his early days with an old FIAS, He took up a Browning and look where he has ended up. Mung or MC will be on here soon to attest my opinion no doubt, I mean they have just gone from strength to strength in the clay shooting world since they became Blaser owners-They will tell you themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djgeoff Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 hi folks im new to this forum stuff and 12mths shooting, yeh another newbie, i have beretta 682gold e for clays and just got a second hand beretta 12g urika (love it). my point is my son bought the escort auto because of the price ( he has low income) and the fact it comes with a 3 yr warrenty. i tried to talk him into getting second hand auto with a good name behind it. a mate even tried telling him that he bought an escort and on first use it blew the choke out stripping the threads, and the gun was returned to retailer and he ended up with the urika which is the one he just sold to me.But no joy he still went and bought the escort, he's only been shooting 5mths and i hope he don't see this post,( his head won't get through the door) but he's getting some really good birds & clays, even more than me, but i put that down to my age lol, reflexes slower , eyes sight going etc.............. well thats my excuse! must admit i had go with escort and i did not like it one bit. but what more can i say, hes shooting, loves the sport like me and he's hitting the targets so hes happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris64 Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dont forget there is another cheap semi auto on the shelf the webley & scott 810 seams to be better quality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dont forget there is another cheap semi auto on the shelf the webley & scott 810 seams to be better quality Its made by Hatsan for Webley and has known ejection issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 (edited) The trouble is you do shoot better with a better quality more expensive gun. Its in the mind set when you have a Beretta,Browning or a Benelli in your shoulder. It somehow makes you unsupassable in ability. Don't ask me why its just somemthing owning a 'B' gun does for you. Mungler and MC both own the pinnacle of 'B' guns- Blaser's. Before they owned a Blaser they rarely shot a 30% round of clays. No tuition, no guidence just bought a 'b' gun and now they shooting A class.Maybe some others can expand on that. Proof is in the pudding and all that. I think the fact is perhaps they fit better off the shelf, I own a browning, as well as the afore mentioned, but in reality you point it in the right direction, the make does not matter and honestly can you imagine John Bidwell turning up with a Baikal or Hatsan Blaser, considering the cost and they have top lever issues still, I believe not resolved, and I have to admire MC for all the grief he's given the Hatstand owners and now he's posting, asking for help as his beretta aint working :look: Please please, this is all light hearted I mean no offence to anyone. Pure fact is starlight there is a lot of people out there that simply can not afford top end guns so they buy what they can afford and get on with there sport and good luck to them, personally Id like a Krieghoff but i think the missus would go bonkers house extension first damn it You dont drive a Lada if you can afford a jaguar unless your mad (do they still make Cossacks or was it Niva's?) Alan Edited February 13, 2010 by Alanl50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djgeoff Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 I think the fact is perhaps they fit better off the shelf, I own a browning, as well as the afore mentioned, but in reality you point it in the right direction, the make does not matter and honestly can you imagine John Bidwell turning up with a Baikal or Hatsan Blaser, considering the cost and they have top lever issues still, I believe not resolved, and I have to admire MC for all the grief he's given the Hatstand owners and now he's posting, asking for help as his beretta aint working :look: Please please, this is all light hearted I mean no offence to anyone. Pure fact is starlight there is a lot of people out there that simply can not afford top end guns so they buy what they can afford and get on with there sport and good luck to them, personally Id like a Krieghoff but i think the missus would go bonkers house extension first damn it You dont drive a Lada if you can afford a jaguar unless your mad (do they still make Cossacks?) Alan my point exactly alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 (edited) I find it quite distastefully all this gun snobbery, and it really does exist, read some of the threads on here, not all of them are joking, all of us aspire to better things, yet we all enjoy the same sport and we should support each other rather looking down on those less financially fortunate, IM damn lucky, I own my own my property, all my money in my pocket, IM not rich either, I come from a humble background and remember the hard times, some of the guys on here would love to do a bit clay busting but couldnt afford to pay for the round and cartridges at the same time a days driven and they would feel like they won the lottery, these are hard times at the moment, jobs not secure even my own is dodgy, they buy 1 box of cartridges at a time because thats all they can afford, not like some of us who look for best prices on a 1000 or 2000+ Lets support each other I dont care if the person beside me has only got an old or cheaper gun we are all enjoying the same hobby. Lets face it our collective support of each other has so far lost us: semiauto centre fire rifles, hand guns, who know knows what next??? we probaly could not have stopped any of the above but it proved one thing we as a sport were and still are so dissjointed and we still havent learnt Alan Edited February 13, 2010 by Alanl50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 i`m a humble bloke too mate.i was looking the other night at a few guns.i also looked at a 30 year old 101 winchester for less money than the escort.difference being the 101 oozed quality whereas the escort did n`t.i am by no means a gun snob.i`m a big believer in shoot what you can afford.my boss has a 20 year old remmy 1100.never misses a beat and handling to die for.300 quid or thereabouts. real class wee gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 (edited) i`m a humble bloke too mate.i was looking the other night at a few guns.i also looked at a 30 year old 101 winchester for less money than the escort.difference being the 101 oozed quality whereas the escort did n`t.i am by no means a gun snob.i`m a big believer in shoot what you can afford.my boss has a 20 year old remmy 1100.never misses a beat and handling to die for.300 quid or thereabouts. real class wee gun What IVE seen on this site is a typed version of sneering at people who would love to own the best but sadly for some its never going to happen that does not make them any less respectable in the shooting sence. I nearly lost a job many years ago my boss, me, and couple of other guys from the firm driving round the M25 in a nice company BMW, a smokey old Sierra went past, you should have heard my boss, get that off the road and so on, I remarked that a least it belonged to him and Im sure its the best can afford (a bit worse than that actually) the car went quiet for the rest of the jouney!!! Point IM making again is simpy lets all enjoy our sport it doesnt matter what you drive or shoot, together / collectively as one Winge/moan over Alan Edited February 13, 2010 by Alanl50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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