Salop Matt Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I have no idea about centre fires at all but am curious about a .223 ! Is there such a thing as a standard load for a foxing set up in .223 ? If so what is it and whats it cost to reload at ? Also am I right in saying that .223 is to much gun and expense to viable for bunnys to (Head shooting) ? I have a HMR and .22lr and would swap one of these due to low funds if things go they way I want. Sorry if these are dump questions but I have no idea about CF . Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 basically depending whether you reload but if you don't cost ranges from 50p a shot to well over £1 If you try one you will appreciate you wouldn't want to fire that many rounds in one sitting so relaly that excludes it as a bunny gun. Though people will say there is no such thing as too much gun but really its a bit like using a sledgehammer on a rabbit. Great for occasional long range vermin and foxes and muntjac deer etc but not a bunny gun for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez325 Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 basically depending whether you reload but if you don't cost ranges from 50p a shot to well over £1 If you try one you will appreciate you wouldn't want to fire that many rounds in one sitting so relaly that excludes it as a bunny gun. Though people will say there is no such thing as too much gun but really its a bit like using a sledgehammer on a rabbit. Great for occasional long range vermin and foxes and muntjac deer etc but not a bunny gun for me. I agree - you wouldnt or should that be couldnt? EAT a rabbit after its meeting with a 223 round Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooter Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 If you are good enough you can head shoot a bunny with a .223, and if you use SP's you could probably eat what was left. But from my own experience stick with the HMR or LR. They are much quieter, so bugs' cousins do not tend to run, and they are cheaper to feed. HTH Cooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I have no idea about centre fires at all but am curious about a .223 ! Is there such a thing as a standard load for a foxing set up in .223 ? If so what is it and whats it cost to reload at ? Also am I right in saying that .223 is to much gun and expense to viable for bunnys to (Head shooting) ? I have a HMR and .22lr and would swap one of these due to low funds if things go they way I want. Sorry if these are dump questions but I have no idea about CF . Cheers 223 is a good choice for a foxing cal even though i use a 22.250 223 is a bit OTT for a nights bunny bashing but i have gone out (day's) and done a bit of long range bunny bashing head shots are possible at over 200yards with plenty of practice and some good consistant rounds (home loads) If you are doing a one for one on your ticket out of the 2 rifles you have i would choose to get rid of the HMR, reason being you will have a good quiet rifle for rabbits out to 90yards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie g Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 if you want a fox gun but want to shoot rabbits then get a 22 hornet. if you reload your get superb accuray and it dont run much powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 My plan is to keep a rimmy for the bunnys but am curious about a .223 for fox ! But had asked about a .223 on a bunny so i could find out what a .223 round would do to a bunny. So .223 for fox only, what round setup ( bullet, case, primer and powder) would you recomend and what sort of cost would it cost me to reload ? Iv herd a varmint grenade bullet mentioned on here to be be good if memory serves me right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 My plan is to keep a rimmy for the bunnys but am curious about a .223 for fox ! But had asked about a .223 on a bunny so i could find out what a .223 round would do to a bunny. So .223 for fox only, what round setup ( bullet, case, primer and powder) would you recomend and what sort of cost would it cost me to reload ? Iv herd a varmint grenade bullet mentioned on here to be be good if memory serves me right. I'm just looking for my picture to show you what a .223 can do to a bunny, and yes they are potentially some very good foxing rounds which can be VERY accurate for the .223! Price wise .223 can be relatively cost effective in these days of silly priced ammo.... FOR EXAMPLE...I have 500 rounds of Wolf .223 55g HP Boat tail (boxer) available for £100 TOTAL (YES..20p EACH) Still Factory sealed! Collection only and the right paperwork obviously..PM me if you are interested!! I'll be back with the picture in a while!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milligan Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) My plan is to keep a rimmy for the bunnys but am curious about a .223 for fox ! But had asked about a .223 on a bunny so i could find out what a .223 round would do to a bunny. So .223 for fox only, what round setup ( bullet, case, primer and powder) would you recomend and what sort of cost would it cost me to reload ? Iv herd a varmint grenade bullet mentioned on here to be be good if memory serves me right. Steaming little puddles of gubbins is what you get with a varmint grenade - just do a search on youtube. They make them from 30 to 64 grain so cover a good spread of barrels. Like the chaps said, it is a little OTT but the heavier bullets can go a long way accurately and you are almost assured of a clean kill on bunnies. Reloading can cost anywhere from 30p upward, depending mostly on the bullet. Sierra Match King (target round) are about £28/100 just for the bullets so a load is about 50p all in - but that is a fairly price bullet which will work out to 500-600yds. You'll need to settle on a barrel twist rate too, that will dictate the weight ranges of bullets it will digest well. Rule of thumb, the tighter the heavier. 1:9 twist will work well with 50-70grn. Edited February 22, 2010 by Milligan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooter Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 500 x 55grn Dog town bullets from Midway work out at 11p each. Put them with 21.3 grn of N133 and CCI primers, comes in at 26p a round. Hornets are much cheaper as they only use around 9grns of powder for a lot of the loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 We get the idea of what .223's do to rabbits, we don't need pictures thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milligan Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 500 x 55grn Dog town bullets from Midway work out at 11p each. Put them with 21.3 grn of N133 and CCI primers, comes in at 26p a round. Hornets are much cheaper as they only use around 9grns of powder for a lot of the loads. That is cheap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Hi salop, see the nearby post in this section by vario for basic info on varmint grenades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooter Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 That is cheap... My missus say's more like tight assed. :wacko: I have been told that the Dog Town are Remmington, but they group very well so I don't care who makes them. Hornady 55grn SP are only 14.3p each, and they run the same charge just as accurately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 (edited) 223 is as cheap to reload as the hmr if not cheaper and if you do your bit then there good to eat as well A pic for Stuartp Second thoughts Edited February 25, 2010 by magman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 All depends what bullet you use. Yes you can use the cheaper stuff, and yes it works, if you want to start to push the calibre you'll need to be looking at Blitzkings, Ballistic tips or v-max. All are expensive, all are accurate, all have a higher BC than the dogtown stuff. They're also explosive - can be the case that you aren't picking up a rabbit, but several pieces. HOWEVER. You can use a 223 as a bunny gun - regularly do so, and if you are clearing for vermin control it's very humane and effective. If you're eating them, then the centre of the head does the job - neatly decapitated without meat damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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