joke209061 Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 Im STILL waiting on the FAC to hit the matt and have been looking at scopes as im fairly set on the rifles ill be buying. Came across these on Optics warehouse and just wanted to know if anyone had had any experience with them? Good / bad points would be appreciated. MTC OPTICS VIPER 4-16x50 IRS SCB RETICLE http://www.opticswarehouse.co.uk/proddetai...sscb&cat=93 Thanks in advance. Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 For a rimfire or centrefire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joke209061 Posted May 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 Rimfire probably, id assume at the money that thats all they are good for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 Rimfire probably, id assume at the money that thats all they are good for. My Viper is on a .243. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 Rimfire probably, id assume at the money that thats all they are good for. well your assumption is well wrong!! KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joke209061 Posted May 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 Ok, so they are good? Ive asked for opinions, any one care to venture any informed opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 I have no experience of the other two but I have a Cobra and the build quality is what you would expect in that price bracket. I don't use it on the rimfires though. It's okay, adequate, but not outstanding. The other two models are supposed to be very good value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 Depends what you want to use it for. In daylight the Viper is nice and clear but low light isn't the best and under the lamp it can snow up if your eye relief isn't spot. For the price they're a damned good scope and what you get for the price you'll not get on others of the pricerange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 i am not a fan. My Viper is clear in daylight, but low light is truly awful, and the reticle is too cluttered under the lamp. On a budget, the mamba with #4 ret might be worth a look though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIVERD Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 I have a viper on my HMR and 243. I use it for deer and fox, and have had good results in low light for deer and under the lamp at night for fox. I have used other scopes on friends rifles, many of which have been extremely expensive, but i find my vipers more than adequate and dont find them limiting in any way. I am no expert however, but i think these are better than my bushnel D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 (edited) For the same sort of money you could get a Hawke Endurance 30IR. I have one (3-9x42) on my LR and find it works much better than the WTC 6.5-20x50 it replaced in low light. I've never been a fan of illuminated reticles but the Hawke IR is just a red dot so doesn't distract, also as the dot is on the Front Focal Plane it helps with eye alignment to remove parallax errors when shooting at different distances as if your head/eye alignment isn't right the dot will not be in the centre of the crosshairs. I bought the Hawke after being disappointed with the WTC in low light and did look at MTC but was put off by a number of people saying they worked ok but not in fading light. Edited May 16, 2010 by Colster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groach1234 Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 I have one sat atop the hmr and think it is a very good scope but have little to compare it to George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joke209061 Posted May 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 Beautiful, cheers guys. I need a scope in the £200 range that can be used at night, other than the hawke what would people recommend. Im not too fussed about fixed or variable magnification, would like am IR but centre hairs only really. Field adjustable turrest would be a good plus as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 Beautiful, cheers guys.I need a scope in the £200 range that can be used at night, other than the hawke what would people recommend. Im not too fussed about fixed or variable magnification, would like am IR but centre hairs only really. Field adjustable turrest would be a good plus as well. Falcon Menace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron airgunner Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 mtc optics are very clear and good quality. the IR models illuminate the scb reticle only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 Beautiful, cheers guys.I need a scope in the £200 range that can be used at night, other than the hawke what would people recommend. Im not too fussed about fixed or variable magnification, would like am IR but centre hairs only really. Field adjustable turrest would be a good plus as well. There's several so take your pick Anything that will go on an air rifle will go on .22rf or .17hmr. I have a Tasco world Class on my rimmy and that does well under the lamp. HMR has a Simmons WTC 6.5-20x50 on it and that's very good in low light and under the lamp as well as being really clear in daylight. I've used a BSA Contender to good effect on .22 and .223. All well less than your £200 budget. Another one to consider is the Bushnell Sportsman range. Cheap and cheerful but robust and up to the job. Unfortunately non of them have illuminated reticles but do you really need one or do you just fancy it? That said, the specs you say you're looking for really pushes you towards the MTC range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joke209061 Posted May 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 mtc optics are very clear and good quality. the IR models illuminate the scb reticle only Just been looking at one with a german *4, thats illuminated, looks good, just illuminates a red dot at the centre of the hairs. Just gonna look up at the menace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joke209061 Posted May 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 There's several so take your pick Anything that will go on an air rifle will go on .22rf or .17hmr. I have a Tasco world Class on my rimmy and that does well under the lamp. HMR has a Simmons WTC 6.5-20x50 on it and that's very good in low light and under the lamp as well as being really clear in daylight. I've used a BSA Contender to good effect on .22 and .223. All well less than your £200 budget. Another one to consider is the Bushnell Sportsman range. Cheap and cheerful but robust and up to the job. Unfortunately non of them have illuminated reticles but do you really need one or do you just fancy it? That said, the specs you say you're looking for really pushes you towards the MTC range. Not essential, just the couple of times ive been out, in low light ive found it hard to quickly acquire the centre on the target. SO thought a lowly IR would speed this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 I love my MTC Mamba better than my old Tasco and Hawkes works well for me I used it daylight and lamping no problems yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joke209061 Posted May 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 I think ill try out the MTC OPTICS MAMBA 4-16x50 ILLUMINATED GERMAN No 4 RETICLE, just got to get the rifle now. As soon as that fac hits the mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John34 Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 I have the MTC Taipan 4-16 x 50 mounted on my HMR, it has a built in sunshade and a choice of either red or green illumination on the centre cross only, the turrets are an uprated version of the Vipers, no expert but i am very happy with it, clear as a bell and very sharp at the ranges available to me (160m max) best thing i could suggest to you is go to your local dealer and look for yourself (Taipan optics are claimed to be same as the Viper but hand picked for best quality, so either should be comparable) or call MTC they were very helpfull and offered me the chance of calling in, but it was to far - Good Luck with your choice John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 I've got one of these on my hmr, seems very good in daylight but as i use 22lr for lamping then it's more than adequate. Lots of nice extras on them too, like metal flip up lens covers, sun shade, mounts. Not over keen on side focus scopes but as i usually lay up in one place with it it's not too much bother. PS. nice idea with the turrets being exposed but lockable so it's simple to zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Very good optics for the price! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearandnoidea Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Not essential, just the couple of times ive been out, in low light ive found it hard to quickly acquire the centre on the target.SO thought a lowly IR would speed this up. I have got a couple of IR scopes that you could try if you like and compare to the Leupold that doesn't have it. They are all Hawke scopes but it might help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleaner4hire Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 bushnell legend is also worth a look in this price bracket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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