Apple

[AVB]

I have just acquired an iPad and a Macbook.

 

The iPad - Brilliant bit of kit. Superbly quick, intuitive, great fun

The Macbook - Not sure yet. I'm typing this on it but it doesn't seem that intuitive

 

has anybody else made the leap of faith from Microsoft to Apple and how long did it take them to feel comfortable?

 

Andrew

[mick miller]

I have just acquired an iPad and a Macbook.

 

The iPad - Brilliant bit of kit. Superbly quick, intuitive, great fun

The Macbook - Not sure yet. I'm typing this on it but it doesn't seem that intuitive

 

has anybody else made the leap of faith from Microsoft to Apple and how long did it take them to feel comfortable?

 

Andrew

 

 

My wife did recently, took her about a week to realise that the Microsoft platform is bloated and paranoid and get sorted on the mac. She loves it now and swears at the PC laptop whenever she has occasion to log on to her works intranet. By the way, you can always run bootcamp if you get homesick.

[Ped]

Had my Mac Book about three years and love it, didn't take long to settle in with it either - still use a Windoze PC for work and hate it!

 

Best thing is that in all that time the Mac has only locked up twice, largely my doing. The work laptop locks up daily...

 

Long and the short of it? Macs rock! Does exactly what you want it to, every time!

[Billy.]

I made a 100% leap from MS to Apple. Took me no time at all, as the Apple gear is simple to use.

 

Watch a few videos on YouTube to learn how to efficiently use your Mac (gestures, spotlight, shortcuts and Apps) you'll find yourself tutting at Windows computers in no time.

 

Nevertheless, if you still need a windows computer to play games, OSX comes with 'bootcamp' which allows you to install windows on a Mac (and it runs faster than most PCs would run it )

[artschool]

i dont understand all these people having their pc crashing. i used to use apple computers many moons ago until i realised that they cost twice as much.

 

i personally havent had any trouble with a pc since the ME operating system.

[AVB]

There is no doubt that the h/w and OS is blindingly quick. Power up - 15 seconds, Power down 10 seconds. Download and upgrade OS all utility apps with latest versions - circa 5 mins. All of that on a windows machine would have been a lot lot longer.

 

Just need to get to grips with the usability. The apple website has a number of video tutorials and specifically aimed at Windows users. I'll give them a try tonight.

[Gully]

There is no doubt that the h/w and OS is blindingly quick. Power up - 15 seconds, Power down 10 seconds. Download and upgrade OS all utility apps with latest versions - circa 5 mins. All of that on a windows machine would have been a lot lot longer.

 

Just need to get to grips with the usability. The apple website has a number of video tutorials and specifically aimed at Windows users. I'll give them a try tonight.

 

 

I'm the same, bought my wife a Macbook for Xmas as she needed a PC and loves her iphone. I needed a new PC too as mine was taking about half an hour to start up and I'd only just wiped and reinstalled everything about 6 months ago. Decided to get her an ipad and I'd have her Macbook. I've found it to be OK, does all the simple stuff OK but maddening at times. Simple things like if I open a file saved on my Blackberry and edit it, when I click 'save' it tries to save it on the Mac, not where it got it from. Garage Band is cool though!

[henry d]

Linux

[Dr W]

Linux

 

Computer says no

[henry d]

Computer says no

 

Mine says yes

[groach1234]

I've been using a macbook for about 4 years now and have never once looked back. My current one does have a fault that the people seem unable to diagnose but i have taken pics of it happening so should be able to get it sorted in a few days. I persuaded my dad to make the jump last year and he refused to get along with it i am sure he was just trying to be difficult especially as he has since acquired and iphone and loves it. Every time i sit down on a PC now i get angry at how hard the simple tasks should be like print and save and cropping pictures so much so i often have to walk away and calm down. I will never go back to a PC even though they cost twice the price of a normal laptop. I run word and excel on mine just fine. I hate windows with a passon and when ever i have the displeasure of using vista i find myself placing the curser in the corners to jump from page to page and nothing happens I have been using a mac since i was 14 and love it and intend to make the jump from blackberry to iphone in the next few months when i have a few hundred pounds free to buy one sim free as i still have about 12 months left on the blackberry contract as vodafone didn't do the iphone last time i renewed and announced the launch of the iphone on vodafone within weeks of me taking out a 24 month contract just ******* typical but i couldn't go O2 as the don't get signal at my house.

 

My moto is:

'Once you go mac you don't go back.'

 

George

[mick miller]

I've used macs for the last 20 years. I will never ever use a PC for anything other than running the most obscure of programs. Everything I do as a graphic designer is simpler, faster and smoother on a mac. It's just a whole better place to work.

[Evil Elvis]

Bought my wife an ipad today,...she wont open it......."its too extravagant"

[Glenshooter]

Never felt I needed to use an Apple. Windows has been totally stable for me, but then I know how to use it. All the software in the world runs on a PC - unlike Apple and it all costs significantly less than Apple stuff.

 

Would love to know what a Mac can do that a PC can't. Although I do accept that graphic design professionals have all been brought up on Macs and that's fair enough when they use it day in and day out for such specialist work. But I really don't understand why anyone else does.

 

But you're free to spend your own money on whatever you want. But my PC is rock solid, never crashes and runs all the software that I want inc Photoshop. Unlike a mate who is frequently struggling to get as much usable software for his Mac and pays through the nose for it if and when he does! And Apple's Itunes is the WORST software that I have even had the misfortune to use, IMHO.

 

But again, if you like using it, fair enough, your choice. But please tell me what a Mac can do that a PC can't.

[mick miller]

Never felt I needed to use an Apple. Windows has been totally stable for me, but then I know how to use it. All the software in the world runs on a PC - unlike Apple and it all costs significantly less than Apple stuff.

 

Would love to know what a Mac can do that a PC can't. Although I do accept that graphic design professionals have all been brought up on Macs and that's fair enough when they use it day in and day out for such specialist work. But I really don't understand why anyone else does.

 

But you're free to spend your own money on whatever you want. But my PC is rock solid, never crashes and runs all the software that I want inc Photoshop. Unlike a mate who is frequently struggling to get as much usable software for his Mac and pays through the nose for it if and when he does! And Apple's Itunes is the WORST software that I have even had the misfortune to use, IMHO.

 

But again, if you like using it, fair enough, your choice. But please tell me what a Mac can do that a PC can't.

 

 

Simple. Run all day, every day, using multiple processor hungry apps without hanging, crashing or falling over. Plug something in, a printer, a mouse, a keyboard, a scanner and it works without hunting for a driver. Surf the net without a host of anti-virus paranoia.

And if needed run almost any PC application via boot camp.

Edited August 6, 2010 by mick miller

[Glenshooter]

Simple. Run all day, every day, using multiple processor hungry apps without hanging, crashing or falling over. Plug something in, a printer, a mouse, a keyboard, a scanner and it works without hunting for a driver. Surf the net without a host of anti-virus paranoia.

And if needed run almost any PC application via boot camp.

 

Yep, so just like my PC but a lot more expensive and having to use whatever a boot camp is.

[mick miller]

Yep, so just like my PC but a lot more expensive and having to use whatever a boot camp is.

 

I only use boot camp to test websites in Internet Deplorer; an unfortunate necessity, but it can run PC apps if needed. Not sure why you would want to unless labouring under the misapprehension that a PC is a gaming platform, when clearly that's what consoles are designed for.

[artschool]

Never felt I needed to use an Apple. Windows has been totally stable for me, but then I know how to use it. All the software in the world runs on a PC - unlike Apple and it all costs significantly less than Apple stuff.

 

Would love to know what a Mac can do that a PC can't. Although I do accept that graphic design professionals have all been brought up on Macs and that's fair enough when they use it day in and day out for such specialist work. But I really don't understand why anyone else does.

 

But you're free to spend your own money on whatever you want. But my PC is rock solid, never crashes and runs all the software that I want inc Photoshop. Unlike a mate who is frequently struggling to get as much usable software for his Mac and pays through the nose for it if and when he does! And Apple's Itunes is the WORST software that I have even had the misfortune to use, IMHO.

 

But again, if you like using it, fair enough, your choice. But please tell me what a Mac can do that a PC can't.

 

i have the same opinion. mac users always say "its so much easier to use" but never explain why?

 

and all the best software like photoshop etc is the same on both platforms.

 

and the big plus of a pc is that apple are now locking all of their hardware (ipad, iphone) so only they can choose the software you use(and charge for it).

[Billy.]

Never felt I needed to use an Apple. Windows has been totally stable for me, but then I know how to use it. All the software in the world runs on a PC - unlike Apple and it all costs significantly less than Apple stuff.

 

Would love to know what a Mac can do that a PC can't. Although I do accept that graphic design professionals have all been brought up on Macs and that's fair enough when they use it day in and day out for such specialist work. But I really don't understand why anyone else does.

 

So I take it you've used a Mac enough to justify the above comments? I use so so so many programs and not once have I been like 'oh, I wish I had a PC, as it won't run on a Mac.'

 

What you are saying is what used to be a problem with Macs ten years ago. People actually make cross-platform applications now, as it is clear that Apple is better than MS (Look at their share price)

 

If you want reasons why Macs are better than PCs, watch this compilation

 

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If the above doesn't show on your PC,

 

 

and all the best software like photoshop etc is the same on both platforms.

 

Yeah, great. Photoshop on a PC. Reeeeeaaalllyyyy slow. Hence why all design agencies use Macs. They're far from the same, as it runs a million times faster on a Mac.

 

Oh and the Macs allow 'gestures' and multitouch trackpads. Try putting two fingers on your laptop trackpad to 'turn' an image and see what happens it'll just move the mouse to the other side of the screen.

 

 

You'll probably think, 'when will I ever use that' well use it all the time, as you can scroll and navigate your Mac using the 'gestures'

Edited August 7, 2010 by Billy.

[groach1234]

Oh and the Macs allow 'gestures' and multitouch trackpads. Try putting two fingers on your laptop trackpad to 'turn' an image and see what happens it'll just move the mouse to the other side of the screen.

 

 

You'll probably think, 'when will I ever use that' well use it all the time, as you can scroll and navigate your Mac using the 'gestures'

 

The track pad is a truly great invention and like you say you assume you wouldn't use it and when i got my new macbook to replace my old one it confused me for a day or two and now i use it all the time.

 

George

[Glenshooter]

Oh and the Macs allow 'gestures' and multitouch trackpads. Try putting two fingers on your laptop trackpad to 'turn' an image and see what happens it'll just move the mouse to the other side of the screen.

You really are scratching to justify the increased cost to buy a pretty piece of hardware. Well done, but sorry, I am still totally unconvinced and if Itunes is an example of 'Apple' software then I hope you enjoy using your pretty things, but I think it is an appalling piece of software.

 

However, I'm really amused by your attempt to justify that Macs are better by trying to compare the share price. That was really amusing.

 

Thanks but I will stay with the 100% of business users (with the exception of graphic folk) who use PCs and the vast majority of ordinary users who know how to use PCs.

 

Enjoy your Macs. I'm too busy using my PCs productively!

[AVB]

I forgot that by starting this thread I would start WW3 between the PC and Mac camp!

 

I bought a Macbook because I was in the market for new laptop, I think the iGadgets (iPad, iPhone, iPad etc.)are fantastic and thought I would try a Mac Pc to see what people rave about. I will be in the position, like many, where I may well convert to a Mac at home but will need to keep using a PC at work. I don't think that there is anything particularly wrong with the PC. those that I sue, like Glenshooter's, doesn't crash but I do feel they are a bit 'clunky' and simple things, like starting up or starting applications take an age. The Mac is lightening quick BUT twice the price. I also agree that Apple kit, whether it be a Mac or iPad just works. Take it out the box and it automatically connects to the Internet and you're up and running in minutes. That wouldn't happen on a PC BUT again how often do you buy a new PC? I do feel there is a bit of snobbery about having a Mac, possibly because of the price premium.

 

So in summary it's like Marmite. Some love it, some hate it.

 

I love Marmite and Macs but see nothing much wrong with the common PC and wouldn't begrudge anybody for getting either.

 

Andrew

[berties]

I was in the camp off what was all the fuss about apple about but my boys both have I pod touches and they are great fun and have many uses so bought a iPad and love it easy to use looks good and runs fast,so on the next computer upgrade will have to be Mac I will always keep Microsoft but apple is the way forward for me ,all the menus are clear and support is second to none

[Billy.]

However, I'm really amused by your attempt to justify that Macs are better by trying to compare the share price. That was really amusing.

 

Actually I was using the share price to show you that the whole world is beginning to realise that Apple hardware is better than other companies.

 

My Mac vs PC video was my selling point as to why you should by one.

[safetyfirst]

Thought that on here I'd finally get a rest from mac vs PC.

 

Ah well, I've had a good six months or so, can't ask for more than that.

 

Ive been a mac user for 15 years now, also use pcs a lot.

 

Apples software tends to make things much easier than some of the software you can get on a PC. Things like video editing, making CDs, sorting out your photos etc.

 

From a computer scientists point of view, apple have a technically superior operating system than windows, making it more stable, faster to start up and it requires less looking after.

 

An experienced PC user can make his PC just as reliable as a novice mac users mac.

 

You can run windows programs on your mac should you need to using software like vmware or parallels. Most people install this as a safety blanket then delete it when they realise they don't use it.

 

If you want to play the latest games though, buy a PC so you can upgrade the video card etc. Macs are great for basic gaming but terrible for the hardcore gamers.