oh dear there's my career

[Ozzy Fudd]

What a load of old poop.

 

The old "there must be more to this" tripe to defend the indefensible. Did you watch the CCTV?

 

What do *the facts* say? Oh, yeah, don't worry about those getting in the way eh?

 

Oh well.

 

yep i did watch it, and as for facts mung, well im sorry but youre not being very observant, i thought i did use them? are the facts not that she was sleeping in her car and refused to give a breath sample (so not co-operating with police and possibly drunk), was taken into the station, and was slammed face first into the floor by a cop who was later done for it

 

in fact the only non factual things were that i speculated that she had given the cops a bit of aggro whilst refusing to give a sample and so was dragged into the station, and then i said it is debateable whether a drunk driver/drunk in charge deserved to be face planted onto a concrete floor or not.

 

so can you please explain how i have twisted the facts in this case, as im baffled?!

[kdubya]

she refused to co-operate and didnt give a breath sample, i doubt the conversation went "can we have a breath sample?", "eh, no you cant, sorry", "oh ok then come to the station", "righto, off we go!"

 

im sure there was a bit more aggro in there than that! now whether as a drunk driver/in charge of vehicle who refused to co-operate with the police she deserved to have her face smashed into the floor is debateable, i know a couple of people who have had family killed by drunk drivers who would argue that its nothing close to what she deserves, but the cop broke the law and he got done for it, seemples. i do have to wonder how much crime would go down if people thought they were going to get a hiding rather than get a slap on the wrist and half an hours community service from some liberal judge actually no, i dont have to wonder, 10 years ago there was very very little crime or anti social behaviour in my town. now the place is full to the brim of druggies, burglar's, travellers, etc. simple reason? the guys with balaclava's and baseball bats kept the place in order, now theyre all retired! :look:

 

ps and she possibly wasnt done because the police tried to cover it up "you let it drop and we wont charge you" sort of thing, but she probably saw pound sisgns floating in front of her eyes after the swelling went down

 

 

do you find this acceptable? if you do its not the society I wish to live in, as for the pound signs ? she said naff all he was shopped by another copper, and listen to what his boss said when groveling an apology, so again don't let the facts spoil a good story!!

KW

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13...ing-prison.html

[Ozzy Fudd]

do you find this acceptable? if you do its not the society I wish to live in, as for the pound signs ? she said naff all he was shopped by another copper, and listen to what his boss said when groveling an apology, so again don't let the facts spoil a good story!!

KW

 

yep totally acceptable, if people werent so concerned about their "rights" and more worried about the consequences of breaking the law (as im sure refusing to co-operate is illegal, isnt it?) then society wouldnt be in the state its in now :look:

 

anyway i think its time i started to keep a list of things you hate kdubya. in the last couple of weeks alone youve been very vocal about wanting to kill cats, rottweilers, and now the police are being hammered (again). what happened, did a police rottweiler bite you once when it was chasing a cat burglar? or are you just pw's own victor meldrew?

 

and ps the bit about pound signs was tongue in cheek, as youve yet again failed to notice (but lets not let that get in the way of a good argument, eh? )

Edited September 6, 2010 by Ozzy Fudd

[Mungler]

she refused to co-operate and didnt give a breath sample, i doubt the conversation went "can we have a breath sample?", "eh, no you cant, sorry", "oh ok then come to the station", "righto, off we go!"

 

Not a fact

 

im sure there was a bit more aggro in there than that!

 

Not a fact

 

Now whether as a drunk driver/in charge of vehicle who refused to co-operate with the police she deserved to have her face smashed into the floor is debateable,

 

Not a fact, not charged and not convicted

 

i know a couple of people who have had family killed by drunk drivers who would argue that its nothing close to what she deserves, but the cop broke the law and he got done for it, seemples. i do have to wonder how much crime would go down if people thought they were going to get a hiding rather than get a slap on the wrist and half an hours community service from some liberal judge actually no, i dont have to wonder, 10 years ago there was very very little crime or anti social behaviour in my town. now the place is full to the brim of druggies, burglar's, travellers, etc. simple reason? the guys with balaclava's and baseball bats kept the place in order, now theyre all retired! :look:

The 'ol justice at the end of a bat example. It's all rather suggestive that a diminuitive 59 year old "got what she deserved". All without charge, trial, prosecution evidence, defence evidence, conviction or points in mitigation.

 

I apologise if I have misread your opinion or your proposition that we are now full to the brim with druggies, burglars etc. All rousing stuff but not really relevant to what happens to a 59 year old who is at the earliest stage of being taken into Police custody. Obviously not getting your arm shoved half way up your back and your face planted into the cell floor is all namby pamby wet liberal stuff.

 

ps and she possibly wasnt done because the police tried to cover it up "you let it drop and we wont charge you" sort of thing, but she probably saw pound sisgns floating in front of her eyes after the swelling went down

 

You couldn't get less factual or more wrong if you tried.

Edited September 6, 2010 by Mungler

[artschool]

well at least as a former policeman he will have a nice time in jail to think about what he had done. i am sure that the other inmates will understand why he beat up a pensioner.

[kdubya]

anyway i think its time i started to keep a list of things you hate kdubya. in the last couple of weeks alone youve been very vocal about wanting to kill cats, rottweilers, and now the police are being hammered (again). what happened, did a police rottweiler bite you once when it was chasing a cat burglar? or are you just pw's own victor meldrew? :look:

 

nah nowt like meldrew I do like a good laugh and a GOOD drink as well, hate cats, dont see the need for the likes of rotties, hate corrupt coppers ( was educated in their ways when I was 15) what else oh went to dublin ONCE hated that as well expensive **** hole with overpriced slop.

 

KW

[al4x]

nah nowt like meldrew I do like a good laugh and a GOOD drink as well, hate cats, dont see the need for the likes of rotties, hate corrupt coppers ( was educated in their ways when I was 15) what else oh went to dublin ONCE hated that as well expensive **** hole with overpriced slop.

 

KW

 

 

Is he corrupt or just a little hard on a female who if you look objectively at the photos was drunk and obstructive. we can't see much evidence from the pictures but she is dragged because she collapsed on him and dropped in the cell because she didn't walk and hold herself up. Had there been fists flying etc i'd have a different view but this looks like a man dragging someone who isn't co-operating much as you see regularly on street wars etc on tv, with the unlucky ending that she banged her head on the floor. the woman is claiming to have been sober but that simply doesn't add up from that.

[kdubya]

Is he corrupt or just a little hard on a female who if you look objectively at the photos was drunk and obstructive. we can't see much evidence from the pictures but she is dragged because she collapsed on him and dropped in the cell because she didn't walk and hold herself up. Had there been fists flying etc i'd have a different view but this looks like a man dragging someone who isn't co-operating much as you see regularly on street wars etc on tv, with the unlucky ending that she banged her head on the floor. the woman is claiming to have been sober but that simply doesn't add up from that.

 

by heck your a clever lad don't even need a breathalyzer to tell if someones drunk a grainy pic does it for you? she banged her head ? think yours must have been banged first?

 

KW

[al4x]

oh so when she was being led away from the desk and dumped herself on the floor that was usual behaviour?

[kdubya]

oh so when she was being led away from the desk and dumped herself on the floor that was usual behaviour?

 

 

did it not look like she was simply swept off her feet looked like she only had slippers on to me? either way whatever it looked like, there IS NO excuse for thuggery end of.

 

KW

[al4x]

if he'd hit her rather than drag and then drop her then yep I'd agree. Too many liberal doo gooders about these days judging from behind computer screens and trial by media, the cop won't get a fair hearing after this and will be used as a scapegoat and only he really knows what went on. With human nature very few people set out to hurt a 50ish year old woman intentionally especially when they know it will be on camera

[kdubya]

if he'd hit her rather than drag and then drop her then yep I'd agree. Too many liberal doo gooders about these days judging from behind computer screens and trial by media, the cop won't get a fair hearing after this and will be used as a scapegoat and only he really knows what went on. With human nature very few people set out to hurt a 50ish year old woman intentionally especially when they know it will be on camera

 

 

facts really do confuse you don't they? he was tried and HAS been convicted before it became public, all we are waiting for is the sentence

 

KW

[UKPoacher]

Going back to the original point; the coppers have taken the car without the owners consent and damaged it beyond repair therefore it is deemed aggravated vehicle taking, a serious offence, they will therefore be no insurance in place, and they have committed offences in respect of abuse of office.

 

They will probably be sacked and imprisoned. And quite right too.

[kdubya]

Going back to the original point; the coppers have taken the car without the owners consent and damaged it beyond repair therefore it is deemed aggravated vehicle taking, a serious offence, they will therefore be no insurance in place, and they have committed offences in respect of abuse of office.

 

They will probably be sacked and imprisoned. And quite right too.

 

 

fiver says slapped wrists

 

KW

[Mungler]

if he'd hit her rather than drag and then drop her then yep I'd agree. Too many liberal doo gooders about these days judging from behind computer screens and trial by media, the cop won't get a fair hearing after this and will be used as a scapegoat and only he really knows what went on. With human nature very few people set out to hurt a 50ish year old woman intentionally especially when they know it will be on camera

 

She's 59. She's not struggling and there's no fists flying as you say. The policeman was in no danger and the force completely disproportionate. If you listen to the sound he lost his rag and picked her up with her arm behind her back; the force he threw her in the cell is apparent from the resulting injury. Indeed, trying to break your fall with one arm behind your back can only result in a face in floor moment.

 

I defy anyone here to suggest that there mum should be treated the same way

[J@mes]

Well funny.

 

To be 23 and get insurance on that you must be:

 

1. a lottery winner

2. a footballer

3. a drug dealer

 

Mind you, it was up North. If you have 50 dole books in different names then anything is achievable.

 

 

I had one with 400bhp at 23, and am none of the above!!

 

insurance was £1400 a year, which was less than what my 1.0 fiesta cost me at 17!

Edited September 6, 2010 by J@mes

[Mr Potter]

Is he corrupt or just a little hard on a female who if you look objectively at the photos was drunk and obstructive. we can't see much evidence from the pictures but she is dragged because she collapsed on him and dropped in the cell because she didn't walk and hold herself up. Had there been fists flying etc i'd have a different view but this looks like a man dragging someone who isn't co-operating much as you see regularly on street wars etc on tv, with the unlucky ending that she banged her head on the floor. the woman is claiming to have been sober but that simply doesn't add up from that.

 

Two things spring to mind al4x, firstly assuming your supposition is correct and the slightly built 59 year old lady was drunk, disorderly and un-cooperative, when within the British justice system does it allow a policeman, or anyone for that matter, to drag them around in such a manner. Then to drop her face first onto a hard surface so that the place looked like a bloodbath within seconds was pushing the term reasonable force about 3 light years past it's limit. In my book the behavior of that policeman could and should not be justified even if the victim was a child molester or mass murderer, this concept of 'civilized' behavior is supposed to be what separates us from animals.

Before you start bleating about woolly minded liberals and society going soft I firmly believe that where our society is going wrong is not by hospitalising 59 year olds but by failing to punish CONVICTED persons properly, jail (without the frills) for appropriate lengths of time, fines that are linked to income and really hurt the wallet and community service that is both time consuming and useful!

 

Oh the 2nd thing that springs to mind. The policeman in question should have also been charged with gross stupidity, he knew that the custody suite and the cell where fitted with CCTV (thank goodness) and still he acted in that manner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Mr Potter

[Gordon R]

I must have missed something. Is it a fact that she was drunk? Why was she asked for a breath test? She was asleep in her car - no moving traffic offence - no behaviour to suggest drunkeness.

 

She sounds an oddball, but that doesn't mean she deserves to be assaulted. I trust he will be treated as any member of the public. He has been convicted of ABH - doesn't really warrant a jail sentence. He has lost his job and will be a bit of an outcast. He has acted as a cowardly bully - just about what he is.

[jacksdad]

Mr Potter is spot on: what state of mind the woman was in, wether she was off her head on drink or drugs, or just being plain awkward, does NOT give the bogies the excuse to carry on as they did.

The police are supposed to keep law and order, and to serve and protect us lot...how would you like to be taken in to 'answer some questions', then get your head kicked in by the very people who are meant to be protecting you

[Mungler]

How would you like to be taken in to 'answer some questions', then get your head kicked in by the very people who are meant to be protecting you

 

According to some, if the police arrest you or take you in for questioning then they must be "in the know", have a good reason and so whatever happens next - CS gas in the face, face in the cell floor etc., well you had it coming, didn't you? We don't need a court or a conviction - the nod from the desk sergeant is enough. The Offences Against the Person Act 1997 doesn't apply to the police. If the beating took place in accordance with the rules a just stated, then that's fair do's.

 

It's that simple and to consider otherwise is namby pamby liberalism and has lead to the ruination of this country.

Edited September 6, 2010 by Mungler

[Ozzy Fudd]

nah nowt like meldrew I do like a good laugh and a GOOD drink as well, hate cats, dont see the need for the likes of rotties, hate corrupt coppers ( was educated in their ways when I was 15) what else oh went to dublin ONCE hated that as well expensive **** hole with overpriced slop.

 

KW

 

then thats one of the few things we will agree on (even if its meant as a jibe) as dublin is a complete ****hole, although i dont know why you brought it up, you might as well be talking about paris for the relevance dublin has to me, saying as how its the capital of a foreign country

[kdubya]

then thats one of the few things we will agree on (even if its meant as a jibe) as dublin is a complete ****hole, although i dont know why you brought it up, you might as well be talking about paris for the relevance dublin has to me, saying as how its the capital of a foreign country

 

nah wasnt meant as a jibe just trying to think what else I didnt like? ( er I had twigged you were a bit further up)

 

KW

[UKPoacher]

fiver says slapped wrists

 

KW

 

That just shows that you are as thick as pig poo or so blindingly anti-establishment that you have no faith in society, and I will be happy to take your fiver. Would you care to make it a bit more?

[Mungler]

On the face of it, it appears serious because the sargeant is in a position of power and authority and it's a breach of public office / trust etc - there's a bit of a multiplier attached to that. However, if he had strong mitigation (e.g. on prescribed drugs from GP, his missus had recently left him etc) and he entered a guilty plea very early then it will be a light sentance - no more than a bit of community service. It's still only ABH and a first offence. He will lose his job though.

[kdubya]

That just shows that you are as thick as pig poo or so blindingly anti-establishment that you have no faith in society, and I will be happy to take your fiver. Would you care to make it a bit more?

 

 

I will stick to my pig poo fiver its not establishmnet I have no faith in its a fair % of coppers

 

KW