aj85 Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 hi guys, i have just been asked by the landowner on one of my permissions if i can help keep his duck population down. part of the land is a dayticket fishery and the ducks are his but are now everywhere. im not sure on the legality of it so hoping someone can advise? cheers guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 No reason why you shouldn't. As long as you shoot them within the season and use non-toxic shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj85 Posted September 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 No reason why you shouldn't. As long as you shoot them within the season and use non-toxic shot. i forgot to add im shooting with a pcp air rifle at 12ftlb. will be applying for co-terminous in the next few weeks as i would prefer to use a shotgun but cant find anything about shooting with air rifles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 (edited) i forgot to add im shooting with a pcp air rifle at 12ftlb.will be applying for co-terminous in the next few weeks as i would prefer to use a shotgun but cant find anything about shooting with air rifles? I would say not a good idea, I would think that you could easily find an SGC holder to help you out, I have been told ducks over a pond is some of the best sport you can get and with so many issues with swans and air rifles etc I wouldn't want to take the chance, ducks are not vermin but game and i dont think you can take game with an air rifle (unless there is another licence condition that applies, risk to aircraft etc, unlikley to apply) I know with a shotgun you can't shoot ducks on the pond it has to be in the air, unlikely to be able to acheive a clean kill with a 12ft air rifle on a flying duck! Edited September 5, 2010 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 i forgot to add im shooting with a pcp air rifle at 12ftlb.will be applying for co-terminous in the next few weeks as i would prefer to use a shotgun but cant find anything about shooting with air rifles? Forget it. Much better to get a mate with a shotgun to do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 I would say not a good idea, I would think that you could easily find an SGC holder to help you out, I have been told ducks over a pond is some of the best sport you can get and with so many issues with swans and air rifles etc I wouldn't want to take the chance, ducks are not vermin but game and i dont think you can take game with an air rifle (unless there is another licence condition that applies, risk to aircraft etc, unlikley to apply) I know with a shotgun you can't shoot ducks on the pond it has to be in the air, unlikely to be able to acheive a clean kill with a 12ft air rifle on a flying duck! Thats a new one on me maybe not sporting but not illegal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 I would say not a good idea, I would think that you could easily find an SGC holder to help you out, I have been told ducks over a pond is some of the best sport you can get and with so many issues with swans and air rifles etc I wouldn't want to take the chance, ducks are not vermin but game and i dont think you can take game with an air rifle (unless there is another licence condition that applies, risk to aircraft etc, unlikley to apply) I know with a shotgun you can't shoot ducks on the pond it has to be in the air, unlikely to be able to acheive a clean kill with a 12ft air rifle on a flying duck! I tend to agree with the air rifle comments generally.......................... BUT>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks like I am going to learn something, please tell me why not and enlighten me on the legislation, that's news to me. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj85 Posted September 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 thats what i have been thinking. shotgun would be much better. just cant find anything on the legality of using airguns so better safe than sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRS Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 i forgot to add im shooting with a pcp air rifle at 12ftlb.will be applying for co-terminous in the next few weeks as i would prefer to use a shotgun but cant find anything about shooting with air rifles? your airifle pellets are lead and also your using a single projectile ,so it is illeagal also check about using airifles on ducks to be brief , your short and curleys along with your marriage tackle will be flying from a police station flag pole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 your airifle pellets are lead and also your using a single projectile ,so it is illeagalalso check about using airifles on ducks to be brief , your short and curleys along with your marriage tackle will be flying from a police station flag pole Ok, I need your help here on a number of points...... A single lead projectile on a duck was legal last time I looked, once again I stand to be corrected, please tell me what legislation says it isn't! A 12ft lb Air Rifle per say is perfectly legal for use on ducks. It may well not be recommended, and I certainly would not advocate it's use but it is legal. There is nevertheless, a vast quantity of "Cruelty" legislation and it is possible a case could be brought under this! Cheers!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj85 Posted September 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 from what i could gather on the basc website it is technically legal to shoot wildfoul with an air rifle as long as its in season and have permission etc. however it is not reccomended and not allowed to fire lead over waterways. but as i said before its still very confusing and probably not a good idea so i'll either have to find someone with a shotgun or get one myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 A 12ft lb Air Rifle per say is perfectly legal for use on ducks. It may well not be recommended, and I certainly would not advocate it's use but it is legal. There is nevertheless, a vast quantity of "Cruelty" legislation and it is possible a case could be brought under this! Cheers!! make your mind up its either legal or illegal if its legal whats with the cruelty bit? do we all kill everything first time every time your statement could cover the board? KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRS Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 make your mind up its either legal or illegal if its legal whats with the cruelty bit? do we all kill everything first time every time your statement could cover the board? KW he may be studying polotics kieth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 he may be studying polotics kieth google is your friend!! KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 (edited) I can't quote the legislation but i was under the impression that you cannot use rifled guns for game (thinking of ducks as game rather than vermin) you can get none lead pellets (prometheus?) so that covers the lead issue but I just read an article about some guy shooting Canada geese with an airgun....under general licence for crop protection. So perhaps it is not illegal... Again what is sporting and allowed on a sporting shoot isnt necessarily the law, I have been looking at duck shooting recently and talking to a friend whose Farther in law has a shoot in suffolk (trying to get me an invite....) Edited September 5, 2010 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edr Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 I believe that ducks should not be shot with air rifle, they can provide clean kills BUT. I shot one last year at 20 yards with my hw100, it was already injured and couldn't fly so it just kept on running round in pain. Unfortanutly we didn't have a shotgun with us so my mate and i dispatched it with the air rifle; it was a one shot kill BUT it was close and humaine, something which you couldn't always gurantee. I personally like 36grm 5's for inland duck. EDR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 (edited) Ok, I need your help here on a number of points...... A single lead projectile on a duck was legal last time I looked, once again I stand to be corrected, please tell me what legislation says it isn't! A 12ft lb Air Rifle per say is perfectly legal for use on ducks. It may well not be recommended, and I certainly would not advocate it's use but it is legal. There is nevertheless, a vast quantity of "Cruelty" legislation and it is possible a case could be brought under this! Cheers!! make your mind up its either legal or illegal if its legal whats with the cruelty bit? do we all kill everything first time every time your statement could cover the board? KW My apologies if you were confused, but I rather thought the part highlighted made a clear statement. And no, we don't always kill cleanly every time and if some anti/green/official/etc saw you, there is nothing to stop them reporting you or bringing a private prosecution. I think you will find my post is a pretty accurate assessment of the situation. For clarification. An Air rifle per say is perfectly legal to shoot ducks with. If however, you are a useless shot, either by way of accuracy or distance or both, and cause unnecessary pain or suffering in so doing then a case may be brought against you for cruelty. The real issue with a 12ft lb air rifle is energy, it starts low in comparison with almost everything else, so it may well be argued that it simply isn't up to the job, and in so doing you are deliberately causing undue suffering, thus making air rifle use potentially vulnerable to problems. That does not make it illegal to shoot a duck with an air rifle, it just leaves you more open to other potential problems. That is the issue with air rifles and the reason why many shooting bodies do not recommend you use air rifles on certain quarry. BASC All birds are protected, and although there are seasons when you can legally shoot game, and some wildfowl, they are not suitable quarry for air rifles. I hope that clarifies my original post for you! ATB! Edited September 6, 2010 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camokid Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 i own shotguns so not a prob for me but as the law goes can you shoot ducks geese with rimfire / centerfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 we're talking about ducks in a pest control situation here not sporting shooting. As such you can use your airgun to trim numbers up quietly while they are in season. As Dekers said you can be prosecuted for causing unnecessary suffering with any gun but they do tend to push it more with air weapons as they are seen to be less suitable. There are any number of reasons on a day fishery why you might not be able to use shotguns, whether it be local houses etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 i own shotguns so not a prob for me but as the law goes can you shoot ducks geese with rimfire / centerfire I think you can but it must be stated as a term on your firearms ticket! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 ........and the ducks are his but are now everywhere.im not sure on the legality of it so hoping someone can advise? The defining word is his and basically, if the duck are not PURE Mallard/Teal/Pochard etc etc. then they are not on the quarry list and as such you cannot shoot them legally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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