Driven birds

[Townie]

Bit of a daft question if you already know the answer.

 

Where driven days are advertised as, for example, a 200 bird day at £25 a bird and at a total price (say £500), what happens when the 201st bird is shot?

[J@mes]

the price starts going up....

[al4x]

some will give you a few free then the option to carry on but at a certain rate. Oh and its £5000

[Dempy]

some will give you a few free then the option to carry on but at a certain rate. Oh and its £5000

 

 

But with ten guns it would be £500 each

[al4x]

But with ten guns it would be £500 each

 

 

or indeed if you had 20 it would be £250

[Dempy]

or indeed if you had 20 it would be £250

 

but i was referring to the oriinal post, there was no mention of £250

[jonnybgood]

on some shoots i beat on the keeper will keep an eye out for how many birds are hit,killed clean or not, and add them to the bag even if they are not picked!

[CharlieT]

on some shoots i beat on the keeper will keep an eye out for how many birds are hit,killed clean or not, and add them to the bag even if they are not picked!

 

 

And on many shoots the bag is calculated on shots fired, based on the estates cartridge to kill ratio, so that a bag of say 200 is reached and therefore charged even if the guns only kill 10 birds.

[MattSoanes]

Bit of a daft question if you already know the answer.

 

Where driven days are advertised as, for example, a 200 bird day at £25 a bird and at a total price (say £500), what happens when the 201st bird is shot?

 

 

If you pay for say a 200 bird day you will normally get a 10% leaway either way, so if you shoot 180 you will pay for 200 ( providing you have had sufficient shooting ) or if you shoot 220 you will still only pay for 200.

[Dempy]

on some shoots i beat on the keeper will keep an eye out for how many birds are hit,killed clean or not, and add them to the bag even if they are not picked!

 

YES, I would shoot there!!!!!!!!!

 

You pay for what is in the bag, he could claim you had a hundred not picked!

[al4x]

YES, I would shoot there!!!!!!!!!

 

You pay for what is in the bag, he could claim you had a hundred not picked!

 

 

exactly, Its his problem if he hasn't got a decent picking up team.

[Dunkield]

I asked this recently where I beat, the answer was you are allowed 10% either way.

i.e. if you can't shoot and only hit 90% of the bag, tough on you, if you hit 110% good for you, not so good for the shoot.

 

Get it all agreed beforehand though, when I shot pheasants we used to pay 'overage' for every bird shot over over the agreed bag.

 

I would be more worried about people in your team of guns who can really shoot

 

On a 400 bird partridge day recently, one very well known and respect shot (in a team of 8) shot 107 birds, and he was an invited guest so didn't pay a penny, apart from a decent tip no doubt.

[wildfowler.250]

Also heard of people shooting their lot after a couple of drives and deciding to go for a larger bag....not so good if your with them and don't want to spend it

[henry d]

If you pay for say a 200 bird day you will normally get a 10% leaway either way, so if you shoot 180 you will pay for 200 ( providing you have had sufficient shooting ) or if you shoot 220 you will still only pay for 200.

 

As above here.......

 

on some shoots i beat on the keeper will keep an eye out for how many birds are hit,killed clean or not, and add them to the bag even if they are not picked!

 

I can understand that to some extent, as a shoot near me had one gun tell the picker up he had shot eight even though the picker up had seen him shoot and kill over twenty that fell into some rough ground and he thought he would get away with it. However pricked birds are a dodgy area, what one person may think of as a "hit" bird others might not.

[jonnybgood]

This is what i ment when i mentioned counting unpicked birds, some guns try and tell you they have shot less, even though they have not.

[swiss.tony]

It gets dead

[Dempy]

But you cant charge for what you dont know has been killed! Any shoot doing this will soon find thereselves short of customers, it is an important part of our shoot to have a decent team of picker ups as we can not afford to not be paid for lost birds, BUT we also cant charge for what we dont find!!!!

[Troosers Too]

If some clueless chancer of a keeper tried to charge me for birds he claimed were shot or pricked but not found, I think we'd find ourselves in a fairly worthwhile argument. That's why properly run shoots have good picking teams.

[Dunkield]

Indeed they do, I doubt many, if at all any, birds go unpicked where I beat, but you also have to reply on the guns honesty to mark shot birds.

But like so much in life a lot of this relies on trust, that is why <generally> shots aren't counted, but if guns say they haven't seen enough birds cartridges can be picked and counted

And also <generally> if the head keeper or shoot owner say you have shot your limit, you have shot you limit, but I have heard of one team of guns who replied "OK, let's see them all them"

[chrispti]

The last shoot I went on, some of the picker ups had clickers to count dropped birds and shots fired

 

No trust there then

[Devon Fox]

When my syndicate travel, we always calculate the tally for each gun - 10 - 20 birds, now we are very lucky as we are a group of very good pals and all are very honest, like every group of pals we all have various financial constraints, some of our affuent members will carry on once the bag has been reached, others simply put the gun away!

 

On our sold days we use a clicker, its not a lack of trust, its just sound businesss sense in case of a comeback (which we havent ever had) - if the bag hasnt been made, but the birds were shown in significant numbers, and the guns have fired xxx of shots, then that really isnt our fault if they fail to shoot straight!!

 

Getting excited now - start on the 19th which is early for us