Remember the 704 hare

[Redgum]

Sorry to dredge up old posts ( cant do it on original as locked) but stumbled on this while looking for some load data for 87 Hornady V max with H414. It does make you wonder about the mentality of some with FAC's, especially centrefires.?

 

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f28...required-62888/

[Mungler]

Good spot.

 

I think that's a slam dunking back of the net moment for all who suggested that shooting +700 yards at a living creature wasn't the best of ideas (for a whole variety of reasons well rehearsed in that closed thread if anyone wants to look it up).

 

If peeps want to shoot at 700 yards, then stick to shooting paper. If you want to shoot something that breathes, then try and get as close to it as possible. Seeemples.

 

Oh, BTW, that link has just reminded me how dull and obsessive reloaders become; shooting to me is not about scales, measures, slide rules, graph paper etc. Each to their own eh?

Edited November 6, 2010 by Mungler

[Dekers]

Sorry to dredge up old posts ( cant do it on original as locked) but stumbled on this while looking for some load data for 87 Hornady V max with H414. It does make you wonder about the mentality of some with FAC's, especially centrefires.?

 

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f28...required-62888/

 

 

Come on Redgum, even I took the P*** out of the original in a follow up thread but enough is enough!

[Redgum]

Come on Redgum, even I took the P*** out of the original in a follow up thread but enough is enough!

Your right mate, its been a long week and spent daybreak in me high seat to only see the Roe bucks I havent seen since last March (nice morning though).

Just wanted to express this chaps irresponsable behaviour to take shots at 700yds when he's struggling with groups at 200yds. Maybe a good book on reloading for christmas if he can't understand why a slightly lighter load is more accurate. Some just think packing in the powder makes a flat long range and accurate cartridge.

 

Back to me knitting now then Dekers

 

(Bet you still read the link though)

Edited November 6, 2010 by Redgum

[Mungler]

Your right mate, its been a long week and spent daybreak in me high seat to only see the Roe bucks I havent seen since last March (nice morning though).

Just wanted to express this chaps irresponsable behaviour to take shots at 700yds when he's struggling with groups at 200yds. Maybe a good book on reloading for christmas if he can't understand why a slightly lighter load is more accurate. Some just think packing in the powder makes a flat long range and accurate cartridge.

 

Back to me knitting now then Dekers

 

(Bet you still read the link though)

 

 

That made me grin

[the running man]

u know that whole 704 thread was a bit of a nightmare wasent it!, i think a one off long shot if calculated correctly and just the one shot taken,then i can see the for the "for hell of it" factor. but not on deer or fox. now i seem to remember that in sporting gun or sporting rifle,cant remember which,there was a piece on long range rabbit shooting,on FLAT! land with a .308,it caused uproar as i recall at the time,can anyone remember that?

Edited November 6, 2010 by the running man

[Redgum]

u know that whole 704 thread was a bit of a nightmare wasent it!, i think a one off long shot if calculated correctly and just the one shot taken,then i can see the for the "for hell of it" factor. but not on deer or fox. now i seem to remember that in sporting gun or sporting rifle,cant remember which,there was a piece on long range rabbit shooting,on FLAT! land with a .308,it caused uproar as i recall at the time,can anyone remember that?

I could probably dig it up on the net but maybe best left eh as 1) I'm in fear of being stoned by Dekers and 2) I really must get this knitting done.

[Mr_Logic]

I don't get why we're discussing this still; nothing has changed. The guy's a muppet, but the shot can be done, and if done BY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING, then there is nothing wrong with it. Some disagree, which is fine, but we will have to agree to disagree with this point.

[MC]

The shot CANNOT be done, go on google earth and by using the measure tool find an area on any of your fields that is 704 yards. Then put a life size hare cut out there and move 704 yards away. I will garantee that you will not be able to see it, let alone calculate the EXACT bullet drop and windage and then hit that target.

 

It was grade A ******** of the highest order.

 

If anyone reckons they can do it I am sure I can sort out a 704 yard range for them to prove it.

[Cranfield]

It was grade A ******** of the highest order.

 

I am surprised that more people didn't reach this conclusion sooner.

[Paul223]

as they say, those that can DO, those that can't moan about it on an interwebnet forum

 

tis true

[Mr_Logic]

The shot CANNOT be done, go on google earth and by using the measure tool find an area on any of your fields that is 704 yards. Then put a life size hare cut out there and move 704 yards away. I will garantee that you will not be able to see it, let alone calculate the EXACT bullet drop and windage and then hit that target.

 

It was grade A ******** of the highest order.

 

If anyone reckons they can do it I am sure I can sort out a 704 yard range for them to prove it.

Right, sort me out with a 704 yard range and you're on.

[Redgum]

Of course it can be done A decent rifle with a decent trigger, match loaded ammo with a good set of sights. Plenty of practice on 700yd targets with no wind, add to that a good range finder. All you have to do then is search your permittable shooting ground on a still morning looking for varmints that are sitting still at exactly that range. Having no luck you walk back to your truck and as always happens, a Muntie buck pops out of the hedge. You start to fumble about dialing in the 60ydish range after you have emptied ever pocket trying to find the range finder. Muntie sees your distress so pulls out a table and chair from the hedge and pours a cup of coffee while he waits for you to adjust your sights via satalite and your mobile phone.

 

LONG RANGE TARGET SHOOTING AND HUNTING ARE LIKE RELOADING AND SMOKING, BEST NOT MIXED.

Edited November 7, 2010 by Redgum

[Mungler]

The "original" poster was on about a 700 yards plus shot, off the bonet of his car, in wind and with ammo which later he suggests won't group at 200 yards.

 

Enough said.

 

Mind you, I would be intrigued to know what scope was "alleged" to have been used because I reckon even something like a Swaro 8x56 wouldn't be able to pick up a hare at 700+ yards and if it did the hare image would be as thick as the cross hairs / posts.

 

It's just Billy-bull-poop.

 

But yes, 700 yards for a target competition shooter with the right set up, of course it can be done. However, I reckon the test Mr. Logic should shoot is 1 shot cold (no set up or practice) off a bi-pod at 700 yards. I reckon it would be a miss. Remember, 1 shot only

 

EDIT:

 

Oh yeah, according to the OP it was "apparently" a heart and lungs shot. So, that's 1 shot cold at something the size of a pear at 700 yards.

 

Whose getting their wallet out for a bet?

Edited November 7, 2010 by Mungler

[Dekers]

This is going nowhere again. There are two vastly opposing views here (and historically), from the holier than thou, and I would never consider shooting a Red Deer with my 300Win Mag at more than 5 yards in case I injured it, to the devil may care, lob it in the air and it will arrive somewhere about a 1000 yards away crew! Most experienced shooters know fully well the reality is commonly somewhere between the two, with human nature often wanting to test itself and push the boundry.

 

.......and I make no specific reference to the original thread here, just a general comment..........

 

Of course it can be done in the field, with experience and tools, and competition shooters do BETTER all the time, setting everything else aside, there is also the luck factor, these things happen, someone wins the lottery most weeks!

 

ATB!

 

Edited November 7, 2010 by Dekers

[Paddy Galore!]

The "original" poster was on about a 700 yards plus shot, off the bonet of his car, in wind and with ammo which later he suggests won't group at 200 yards.

 

Enough said.

 

Mind you, I would be intrigued to know what scope was "alleged" to have been used because I reckon even something like a Swaro 8x56 wouldn't be able to pick up a hare at 700+ yards and if it did the hare image would be as thick as the cross hairs / posts.

 

It's just Billy-bull-poop.

 

But yes, 700 yards for a target competition shooter with the right set up, of course it can be done. However, I reckon the test Mr. Logic should shoot is 1 shot cold (no set up or practice) off a bi-pod at 700 yards. I reckon it would be a miss. Remember, 1 shot only

 

EDIT:

 

Oh yeah, according to the OP it was "apparently" a heart and lungs shot. So, that's 1 shot cold at something the size of a pear at 700 yards.

 

Whose getting their wallet out for a bet?

i'll have some of that action, 20 bills says he can't do it, regardless that the OP used a nightforce scope with stupid amounts of mag, 700yds is a bloody long way for anyone with just 1 shot let alone a newbie to the sport who was "working up a load" with his factory barrelled tikka. Come on guys, all you target shooters know how much it costs to set up a decent rig, barrel, trigger, stock etc etc, would you really risk or even bother to try with a standard factory rifle?

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[Mr_Logic]

Just to be clear, I don't have a 243 so it'll be either my 308 or 223 target rifle.

 

While I agree the cold-bore shot is the key, I think a 10-round test is the way forward to get some idea of how likely this shot is - as Deker said you'll get lucky from time to time!

[MC]

Just to be clear, I don't have a 243 so it'll be either my 308 or 223 target rifle.

 

While I agree the cold-bore shot is the key, I think a 10-round test is the way forward to get some idea of how likely this shot is - as Deker said you'll get lucky from time to time!

 

 

Do you reckon a hare would sit there while 10 bullets rained down around it?

 

Just admit that you couldn't make the shot, but if you think you can just name the day you can come to Essex. I'll start selling tickets.