The Duncan Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Hi gang, I've been using Eley subsonic hollow points in my CZ452 lr and I think they're a pretty good round - accuracy, stopping power etc, a bit pricey, but you get what you pay for My local shop ran out of eleys so I bought the rws equivalent, which so far seem to be pretty much on a par (early days though), but they are about 20% cheaper! Despite being German made and presumably imported. An airgun shop owner friend has just poured scorn on them saying he found rws poor and inaccurate. He has no axe to grind as he doen't sell live guns or ammo. Does anyone have any experience of them? OR did they just not get on with his rifle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V3 Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 what works in 1 rifle might not work in another as you say they work in yours so why pay more for eley's if the rws ones work as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 Without doubt some ammo is more cheaply made with bigger tolerances all round and less quality control. Just the same, some ammo will still favour some barrels and hate others, even in rimfire, but most definately in centrefire. From my point of view I get Excellent results with Magtech .22lr 40g HP Subs, but many find these terrible ...such is life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 Have used RWS in my CZ452 with no problems,accuracy on par with Eleys in mine.Generally I use Winchesters which are easier to obtain/cheaper for where I shop & hit hard. http://www.shootingtimes.co.uk/guns/195871/Subsonic_22LR_ammunition_review.html may be of interest to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 RWS subs and high vel IMHO will equal most rimfire rounds on the market-where precision engineering is concerned the germans take some beating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooter Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 I find them to be very accurate, on a par with their air gun pellets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 (edited) Thanks for the feedback guys, and for the link, Drut Did you mean one-hole groups accurate Cooter ? Cos there's good and bad airgun pellets :blink: Edited November 21, 2010 by The Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Accuracy is generally good however, the dont expand as well as winchesters ive found. I suffered a lot of runn offs with them if i didnt head shoot, and i think the problem is the head of the bullet is only perforated with a small cross rather than the good hole winchester use. Each to their own i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 How do you rate the Winchesters for accuracy? Are they up to Eley/RWS standard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 RWS subs and high vel IMHO will equal most rimfire rounds on the market-where precision engineering is concerned the germans take some beating. I've always found RWS the same, very accurate, but not up to the same stopping power/expansion as the Winchester Subs, I'm sure at the time RWS cost more than the Winchesters, that's why I never stuck with them, Things must have changed then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 How do you rate the Winchesters for accuracy? Are they up to Eley/RWS standard? The Winchesters have a very BIG HP, actually the bullet looks pretty similar to Magtech. The bullet expands excellently on contact, far better than the Eley, accuracy wise it comes down to lots of things, everyone who uses Winchester thinks they are excellent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted November 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Sounds like I'd better give them a go Cheers Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiceychilli57 Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 The Winchesters have a very BIG HP, actually the bullet looks pretty similar to Magtech. The bullet expands excellently on contact, far better than the Eley, accuracy wise it comes down to lots of things, everyone who uses Winchester thinks they are excellent! Yep would totally agree :good: 5p sized groups at 100yds off bipod and excellent stopping power, never had anything else through it Spicer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 im another for winchesters..! tried eleys subs CCI's and some other i cant remeber the name of, none agreed with my CZ like the winchesters though..accurate and hard hitting..dont get a runner if hit it!lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b682 Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 Eley have issued their 2011 price list showing .22LR HP subs at around £97 per 1000 ........ouch!! Can currently get Fiocchi for around £62 per 1000 and they shoot every bit as good as eley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 i find winchesters best for my 452 when i got my 1st lr i got a few different rounds to try i got 100 rws hollow points i found them very accurate but out of the 100 i had 3 go supersonic and 4 duds so i shall stick with my winnies as they hit very hard and not many rabbits seem to get up after being hit colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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