starting a new pigeon club in NW

[tazkb]

doe's anyone fancy starting a pigeon shooting club around the North West ?

so far there have been a few successful ones started around Yorkshire and the

south Midlands, it should be successful if the same where set up around the

North west, with a reasonable yearly fee like the others, it just needs someone

to get the ball rolling, so anyone fancy it ?

[swiss.tony]

no no no you should be BAND iv lost 1500 acres to the poxy pigeons clubs offering my farmer 1000 quid a year .

 

You lot need to get off ya *** and go door knocking like rest of us had to insted of poaching other peoples land who have worked had for.

 

Not personal havein ago at ya mate but just feel at them plus farmer cause all they see is the money rant over

Edited December 1, 2010 by swiss.tony

[webber]

I'll join.

 

Let me know when you've found the land.

With pigeons.

With willing land owners.

 

I won't be holding my breath.

 

webber

[MM]

no no no you should be BAND iv lost 1500 acres to the poxy pigeons clubs offering my farmer 1000 quid a year .

 

You lot need to get off ya *** and go door knocking like rest of us had to insted of poaching other peoples land how have worked had for.

 

Not personal havein ago at ya mate but just feel at them plus farmer cause all they see is the money rant over

 

 

Steady on old boy. Think he was trying to help people out. Have another coffee, and chgill ya boots.

[pigeonblasterian]

doe's anyone fancy starting a pigeon shooting club around the North West ?

so far there have been a few successful ones started around Yorkshire and the

south Midlands, it should be successful if the same where set up around the

North west, with a reasonable yearly fee like the others, it just needs someone

to get the ball rolling, so anyone fancy it ?

Hope you get one started.If you can get a few people together and offer a farmer a bit of money you might be on to a winner.

[David BASC]

There is nothing wrong with the concept, of getting a permission and sharing it with others, and then working together to build up that permissiion by getting other farms to shoot over.

 

There are plently of pigeon clubs like this all over the UK, indeed, I'm in one!

 

I know its harsh when you loose your shooting, but can you blame the farmer to be honest if somone comes along and offers him hard cash? To you and me its a bit of shooting, to him its income!

 

Of course there are loads of us out there shooting over farmland for pests and no money changes hands, thats fine, but remember there is the risk that somone may offer money and your lanlord may accept!

 

At least with a club structure the shooting is more secure, and the costs are spread over many members , so each only has to pay a relatively small amount.

 

So my advice is go for it, yes it will take a bit of door knocking, and if a few of you get together ot get this off the ground I bet between you, you will get some good pigeon shooting very soon.

 

David

[tazkb]

well to be honest I was thinking about a way of helping others, i'm not the biggest fan

of paying for shooting myself, through out my life iv'e had hundreds of acres of land

but after my heart attack a few years ago I had to let them go, thing is I can't get them

back and have even been given the keep of my permission or else mate considering

i had it for years, ahh well, there are a few sides to this coin though, i know of a few

people who have huge acreages but are very very selfish about sharing, now i'm not saying

that they can't do exactly as they wish, but the reality is they can't possibly be doing

a very good job, 1 man can't properly protect 1000 acres alone, even if they where at it every

day as for getting of ones ****, there are areas around the UK where there seems to be

10 shooters asking for the same land, my mate wrote to 35 farms and got nothing, as for me, well

I was brought up in agriculture, I even have my city and guilds and NCA in agriculture after attending

agricultural collage's at Hutton,Myerscough and Winmarleigh so I understand farming better than many.

I am also disabled and getting round for me is by quad and although I have vast experiance and knowledge

which I am only too willing to share, I would never take on a huge parcel of land on my own as I know

there is no way I could do the job properly, and I'm not the type of person who puts himself first

all the time. At the end of the day everyone has there own way of doing things and that's up to them

i'm not giving any direct digs here, tbh I'm getting too old for computer keyboard battles with people

who don't know me from Adam. It was just a thought though

[swiss.tony]

I was not haveing ago at you personal mate .

 

It was the pigeon club idea just think its wrong and not the way .

 

iv took loads of people on my land and as for looking after 1000 plus acres .its not so hard just cost you loads

 

Iv seemed to manage ok but hay ho its the farmer right to have who ever he wants on his had plus the money helps .

 

just feels like a kick in b***s when you have shot one farm 3 years spent 3 grand plus on fuel just to lose it one day .

 

and farmer to come and say sorry mate your not needed any more sorry if i up set ya .............atb swiss

Edited December 1, 2010 by swiss.tony

[artschool]

swiss tony, getting permission is... very much like making love to a beautiful woman. You check the dimensions, look after her, shoot over her at all times of the day and night and then she leaves you because someone else has more money.

Edited December 1, 2010 by artschool

[Paul@Ribchester]

well to be honest I was thinking about a way of helping others, i'm not the biggest fan

of paying for shooting myself, through out my life iv'e had hundreds of acres of land

but after my heart attack a few years ago I had to let them go, thing is I can't get them

back and have even been given the keep of my permission or else mate considering

i had it for years, ahh well, there are a few sides to this coin though, i know of a few

people who have huge acreages but are very very selfish about sharing, now i'm not saying

that they can't do exactly as they wish, but the reality is they can't possibly be doing

a very good job, 1 man can't properly protect 1000 acres alone, even if they where at it every

day as for getting of ones ****, there are areas around the UK where there seems to be

10 shooters asking for the same land, my mate wrote to 35 farms and got nothing, as for me, well

I was brought up in agriculture, I even have my city and guilds and NCA in agriculture after attending

agricultural collage's at Hutton,Myerscough and Winmarleigh so I understand farming better than many.

I am also disabled and getting round for me is by quad and although I have vast experiance and knowledge

which I am only too willing to share, I would never take on a huge parcel of land on my own as I know

there is no way I could do the job properly, and I'm not the type of person who puts himself first

all the time. At the end of the day everyone has there own way of doing things and that's up to them

i'm not giving any direct digs here, tbh I'm getting too old for computer keyboard battles with people

who don't know me from Adam. It was just a thought though

 

 

Keith, it's a good idea. Do you still have my number.....?

[swiss.tony]

swiss tony, getting permission is... very much like making love to a beautiful woman. You check the dimensions, look after her, shoot over her at all times of the day and night and then she leaves you because someone else has more money.

like it mate i like it alot your so rite fella

[jonevo]

Hope it works out for you mate,But think about all the travelling to all the farms and the advertising and then theres the Health & safety aspect,The concept is great in principal,but the actual hardwork begins,when the landowner wants his money up front :look: When the time comes for you to shoot on it,I hope the pigeons are stil there and not moved onto someone elses patch.

[tazkb]

right then all I was doing was thinking out loud

it isn't something to be taken lightly or by 1 person

it would take a few blokes, some time and effort,iv'e lost land

to syndicates before and lost my fav fly fishing lake to a syndicate

it was a lovely quiet place and even though I was offered a place on the

syndicate (which was way beyond my means) I was gutted. So it's just an Idea

at the moment, nobody is loosing anything,Don't forget i'm disabled so I am

limited to what I can do to start with,I just like helping people when I can

it makes me feel useful, Paul i'm not sure mate

Keith

[snozzer]

no no no you should be BAND iv lost 1500 acres to the poxy pigeons clubs offering my farmer 1000 quid a year .

 

 

 

I was not haveing ago at you personal mate .

 

It was the pigeon club idea just think its wrong and not the way .

 

iv took loads of people on my land and as for looking after 1000 plus acres .its not so hard just cost you loads

 

Iv seemed to manage ok but hay ho its the farmer right to have who ever he wants on his had plus the money helps .

 

just feels like a kick in b***s when you have shot one farm 3 years spent 3 grand plus on fuel just to lose it one day .

 

and farmer to come and say sorry mate your not needed any more sorry if i up set ya .............atb swiss

 

 

Thats a bit rich coming from you Swiss as you were already charging money

 

Pigeon Shooting for £45 a day

 

I charge people, but I have 10,000 acres under "ACTIVE" management and it is a full-time job not a way to make a few pound coins out of someone elses assets...

Edited December 2, 2010 by snozzer

[tazkb]

Tony without having a dig at you mate, is pest control a full time job for you ?

because when I was working full time I struggled to manage 350 acres of arable land

from the pigeons we had, many of whom where not worried about gas guns etc. it's just

not possible as the birds can move so easily, having 3 or 4 guns on at a time kept the birds moving

from one area to another but our farmer, even though we got on well wanted results,

in the end he sold out to a syndicate for £4000 a year with the hope that they would do the job

better,in the end I got the pigeon shooting back of the syndicate, how daft is that ?

what I don't agree with (my opinion) is if one man gets say 5000 acres GIVEN to him to shoot

then that person then goes on to sell days at say £80 per day and keeps that money, then it's wrong

however if he shares with the farmer then what's the difference to the club idea ?

anyway I am the kind of chap that if popping round to a local farm and getting say 500 acres of

land I would be quite happy if the farmer then asked me if it was al-right for another chap to

shoot on the same land I would be perfectly happy with that arrangement as I have done before.

Like I said I even gave up a small farm recently to a younger lad as I couldn't do the rabbiting

properly due to walking problems and having no air rifle any more. It's each to their own and I don't

expect everyone to do the same as me.

[malantone]

swiss.tony, on 01 December 2010 - 06:38 AM, said:

 

no no no you should be BAND iv lost 1500 acres to the poxy pigeons clubs offering my farmer 1000 quid a year .

 

 

 

 

 

 

swiss.tony, on 01 December 2010 - 10:57 AM, said:

 

I was not haveing ago at you personal mate .

 

It was the pigeon club idea just think its wrong and not the way .

 

iv took loads of people on my land and as for looking after 1000 plus acres .its not so hard just cost you loads

 

Iv seemed to manage ok but hay ho its the farmer right to have who ever he wants on his had plus the money helps .

 

just feels like a kick in b***s when you have shot one farm 3 years spent 3 grand plus on fuel just to lose it one day .

 

and farmer to come and say sorry mate your not needed any more sorry if i up set ya .............atb swiss

 

 

 

 

No wonder the farmer sold out to the syndicate and kicked you off, maybe he got wind of your scam. £45 a throw, that can mount up to serious money, it`s caled a con trick up here. :yp: :yp:

[Dead-Eyed Duck]

There is nothing wrong with the concept, of getting a permission and sharing it with others, and then working together to build up that permissiion by getting other farms to shoot over.

 

There are plently of pigeon clubs like this all over the UK, indeed, I'm in one!

 

I know its harsh when you loose your shooting, but can you blame the farmer to be honest if somone comes along and offers him hard cash? To you and me its a bit of shooting, to him its income!

 

Of course there are loads of us out there shooting over farmland for pests and no money changes hands, thats fine, but remember there is the risk that somone may offer money and your lanlord may accept!

 

At least with a club structure the shooting is more secure, and the costs are spread over many members , so each only has to pay a relatively small amount.

 

So my advice is go for it, yes it will take a bit of door knocking, and if a few of you get together ot get this off the ground I bet between you, you will get some good pigeon shooting very soon.

 

David

 

Whoa there - get thee behind me Satan.

 

I've always thought that pigeon shooting was the lot of the common man (strange phrase, I know). You find a farmer, offer him graft and support and in return he gives you permission to shoot vermin such as pigeon. He may even charge you a little, and you are grateful.

 

Now if we get into the realms of cheque book diplomacy we all lose out....

 

Your pigeon shooting will be lost because someone comes along with a fatter cheque book than you have and the poor farmer feels obliged to ignore your small payment and graft and says "I cannot ignore the big bucks".

 

Some may think that I am exaggerating - until it's your turn to be outbid.

 

Let's carry this argument on even even further (as there is no honesty amongst thieves or larger cheque books).

 

You have a nice little syndicate, and put a few pheasants down, and then this culture promoted by BASC says that there is no dishonour in outbidding your fellow shoot next door and the farmer says "I cannot ignore the big bucks".

 

I am not a BASC basher (I am a member and have been so for 20 odd years), but in this respect I think that they have got it wrong. Ignore the welfare and culture of your fellow shooters and we all go to hell in a handcart....

 

Now there is no doubt a place for pigeon shooting clubs, but beware of the downside before some get terribly excited.

 

Sorry for spouting off, but if all it comes down to is money then ethics and respect for our sport will go out of the window.

 

Don

Edited December 4, 2010 by Dead-Eyed Duck

[dolphin]

Whoa there - get thee behind me Satan.

 

I've always thought that pigeon shooting was the lot of the common man (strange phrase, I know). You find a farmer, offer him graft and support and in return he gives you permission to shoot vermin such as pigeon. He may even charge you a little, and you are grateful.

 

Now if we get into the realms of cheque book diplomacy we all lose out....

 

Your pigeon shooting will be lost because someone comes along with a fatter cheque book than you have and the poor farmer feels obliged to ignore your small payment and graft and says "I cannot ignore the big bucks".

 

Some may think that I am exaggerating - until it's your turn to be outbid.

 

Let's carry this argument on even even further (as there is no honesty amongst thieves or larger cheque books).

 

You have a nice little syndicate, and put a few pheasants down, and then this culture promoted by BASC says that there is no dishonour in outbidding your fellow shoot next door and the farmer says "I cannot ignore the big bucks".

 

I am not a BASC basher (I am a member and have been so for 20 odd years), but in this respect I think that they have got it wrong. Ignore the welfare and culture of your fellow shooters and we all go to hell in a handcart....

 

Now there is no doubt a place for pigeon shooting clubs, but beware of the downside before some get terribly excited.

 

Sorry for spouting off, but if all it comes down to is money then ethics and respect for our sport will go out of the window.

 

Don

[dolphin]

[yickdaz]

Whoa there - get thee behind me Satan.

 

I've always thought that pigeon shooting was the lot of the common man (strange phrase, I know). You find a farmer, offer him graft and support and in return he gives you permission to shoot vermin such as pigeon. He may even charge you a little, and you are grateful.

 

Now if we get into the realms of cheque book diplomacy we all lose out....

 

Your pigeon shooting will be lost because someone comes along with a fatter cheque book than you have and the poor farmer feels obliged to ignore your small payment and graft and says "I cannot ignore the big bucks".

 

Some may think that I am exaggerating - until it's your turn to be outbid.

 

Let's carry this argument on even even further (as there is no honesty amongst thieves or larger cheque books).

 

You have a nice little syndicate, and put a few pheasants down, and then this culture promoted by BASC says that there is no dishonour in outbidding your fellow shoot next door and the farmer says "I cannot ignore the big bucks".

 

I am not a BASC basher (I am a member and have been so for 20 odd years), but in this respect I think that they have got it wrong. Ignore the welfare and culture of your fellow shooters and we all go to hell in a handcart....

 

Now there is no doubt a place for pigeon shooting clubs, but beware of the downside before some get terribly excited.

 

Sorry for spouting off, but if all it comes down to is money then ethics and respect for our sport will go out of the window.

 

Don

also concidering pigeon shooting was supposed to be the poor mans sport it now costs the same as a driven pheasant shoot did 10 years ago..so you can;t afford to be poor to shoot them anymore.also sick to death of shooters... syndicates..and the best other farmers buying out the farms we have shot on for 20;30 years then refusing to give us permission to carry on shooting the land so that a syndicate can take over.really ****** me right off

Edited December 4, 2010 by yickdaz

[yickdaz]

what you think dead eye

[hushpower]

Theres no doubt their is room for aclub in the North West ,their will be farmers off the beaten track /miles from the nearest main roads who will be crying out for aclub/responsible pigeon shooters etc with a proffessional approach,who can turn out when called upon not just weekends. The problem is these farms need fnding. I for one would be interested.thers enough arable land here .Also we have the second garden of england in the NW Ormskirk,southport etc

Edited December 5, 2010 by hushpower

[tazkb]

I seem to have opened a can of worms here and maybe I should just forget the whole idea

I only thought about this as there are already 2 clubs up and running, NPPC which has it's own section

on here and another one that has been recently started around the north Midlands I think and again was

flooded with requests to join, it is correct the NW has some serious arable production and a group of

like minded people with skills to offer could play a good role in both helping the farms out and giving

a good name to shooting. So far as I have stated it's just an idea and will require some serious ground work

which I cannot manage alone, so I would need help in the organisation and setting up of a club/organisation

of any kind to make sure it's done properly and doesn't turn into a farce, I believe it would be possible

with the right people behind it to set-up something like the other 2 clubs already running in other areas.

I get a bit miffed when some one has vast amounts of permission and guards it with the "it's all mine and

nobody else is sharing it" attitude and believe me it happens more than people realise, what's wrong with

a little sharing now and then? (and yes I know some people are happy to share things) but some people are

like kids who haven't worked out the concept yet personally I like sharing stuff, I get a real

sense of satisfaction to see that i have made someone else happy, it's so much more fun doing stuff with a

mate or 2 than being on yer own,and it's also a lot safer as well. I don't wan't to (and never had) take

someone's permission away by offering big wads of cash, i would find that difficult as i'm always skint anyway

but I see a need for some thing like this, it has worked elsewhere so i just put 2 and 2 together and came up with 4

if i'm to be cast out and ostracised for it then I will keep my mouth shut in future

[Dead-Eyed Duck]

I seem to have opened a can of worms here and maybe I should just forget the whole idea

I only thought about this as there are already 2 clubs up and running, NPPC which has it's own section

on here and another one that has been recently started around the north Midlands I think and again was

flooded with requests to join, it is correct the NW has some serious arable production and a group of

like minded people with skills to offer could play a good role in both helping the farms out and giving

a good name to shooting. So far as I have stated it's just an idea and will require some serious ground work

which I cannot manage alone, so I would need help in the organisation and setting up of a club/organisation

of any kind to make sure it's done properly and doesn't turn into a farce, I believe it would be possible

with the right people behind it to set-up something like the other 2 clubs already running in other areas.

I get a bit miffed when some one has vast amounts of permission and guards it with the "it's all mine and

nobody else is sharing it" attitude and believe me it happens more than people realise, what's wrong with

a little sharing now and then? (and yes I know some people are happy to share things) but some people are

like kids who haven't worked out the concept yet personally I like sharing stuff, I get a real

sense of satisfaction to see that i have made someone else happy, it's so much more fun doing stuff with a

mate or 2 than being on yer own,and it's also a lot safer as well. I don't wan't to (and never had) take

someone's permission away by offering big wads of cash, i would find that difficult as i'm always skint anyway

but I see a need for some thing like this, it has worked elsewhere so i just put 2 and 2 together and came up with 4

if i'm to be cast out and ostracised for it then I will keep my mouth shut in future

 

If you don't ask then you won't get to know what others think.

 

As I have said, the difficulty is that invariably such clubs (by their very nature) will knock on doors and offer money for the shooting rights.

 

In an ideal, wonderful world there may be farmers who don't have shooters already, and will be very pleased to offer shooting pigeon in exchange for cash. I too have struggled in the past to get shooting rights, and when you have very little then any is better than none. I got my first shoot by advertising in the local paper and it cost me nothing - his crops were being hammered by pigeon and my timing was perfect.

 

There are guys on here who will offer you shooting (I met one guy off PW and he is now a member of my shoot), and if you don't ask then you won't get.

 

Don

[McF]

Tazkb

Your idea is a good one, and with the right people involved, theres no reason why it wont be successful, as the 2 others are in other parts of the country.

Im sure when these other clubs started up they got stick like what your getting on here, but they still went ahead and formed the clubs, so dont be put off.

I love pigeon shooting, but dont get the chance to do it as much as I use to for one reason or another.

I had plenty of land and lost it for one reason or another but never because someone came along and paid the farmer to basically kick me off I doubt that would of happend because of the good job I was doing for them.

So go ahead and put the wheels in motion Im sure there will be plenty of willing helpers and plenty more willing to join including me.

Good luck