fac variation

[colin lad]

just a quick question guys am going to put in for fac variation in new year for .22 hornet i believe i need to fill in form 101 and pay £26 was also going to add a letter to explain what i want it for (mid range foxing) its my 1st cf as i only have 22lr at the moment is there anything else i need to add or what did you guys do when applying for your 1st centre fire?

 

colin

[garyb]

Why do you want a 22 hornet?

 

Unless your planning to reload you would be better off with a .223Rem, which is also legal for small deer.

 

And yes... you fill in the form, give them a cheque for £26 (or swap a slot) a covering letter is also a good idea.

[SilentKill]

you will also need to add the land permission form for the foxing...?

[colin lad]

you will also need to add the land permission form for the foxing...?

i will be using the hornet on the same land that i put down for my .22lr will i need another permission letter or can i just tell them its for the same land?? its cleared up to .243..

garyb i quite like the idea of hornet and fancy having a go at re-loading which will bring the cost down so if no foxes about it wont get too expensive if i have a bunny bashing session

 

colin

[Colster]

When I put in my variation I had to provide a new permission letter as the old one didn't specifically state "Deer". I'd imagine you'd possibly need to do the same for "Fox" but it depends a bit on your FLO. Some consider Fox to be implied if it states "Vermin". You might need the land to be re-surveyed, some forces when they do surveys just say yes or no to whatever calibre you were requesting, others will tell you what is the maximum they think it will support. Give them a bell and ask.

 

EDIT: Ok forget the survey bit, just read that it's cleared up to .243

Edited December 26, 2010 by Colster

[kent]

just confirm you have permision for FOX on the land with them and all should be fine

[Tin Man Work]

I've been using .22LR for agaes and have just got a .22 Hornet in the last week - it is an absolutely a brilliant calibre for what I want; quiet, grouping neatly ay 100 yards, and looks like almost flat out to 120 yards from my first sessions, but that's first impressions. Colin, I hope you enjoy the extra range as I am now, without the noise of a ,222, .223, 22-250 and the like.

 

(Hmmm. Before all the owners of calibres above .22 Hornet turn this thread into a riot, no offence intended folks, just my opinion in a Hornet/FAC thread. I think I have larger calibre experience after 25 years in the Services, great to get the larger rounds down the range to do the job you want to, but muggins here wanted something different for my private shooting enjoyment; the Hornet is to me just that little bit different, a bit less often found around the bazaars, and does the job it's intended for).

 

I looked around for ages and was homing in on the CZ Hornet, but stumbled on a Walther KKJ Hornet whilst browsing a gunshop - never seen one of those before and had to read the label twice to believe my eyes (clearance gun at £240), so it came home with me - I was concerned about how it would shoot at that price, but with factory Winchesters it's a good inch and a bit group, so I'll see what reloading does for that in due course. It's not screw cut (yet) but will be very soon in the New Year, and the stock's going to be refurbished (once I figure out how to get the cross bolt safety out of the stock.............).

 

Love it!

 

Cheers

Edited December 27, 2010 by Tin Man Work

[garyb]

As long as you are aware, that without reloading the Hornet is going to an issue...

 

Factory ammo stocks are minimal, and known for being somewhat inaccurate - I can't help but feel you might be biting off more than you can chew by trying to both handload and get to grips with your 1st centrefire at the same point in time.

 

It's a great calibre, and I too would like one at somepoint.

 

Good luck with what ever you choose.

[oldspot]

It may be worth trying an application for .22cf, some police forces allow this and it gives you more choice in the gun shops.

[Redgum]

Think most things have been covered above, give as much helpful info as possible in a covering letter along with permission to shoot fox's on this ground.The official form does not offer much room so additional info will always help the department. It would be wise to put down for a FAC air rifle or Hmr, not that you want one but it will cost £26 for a single or multi variation. If you put FAC airrifle down for close quarter rabbiting for example, you can change it one for one, free of charge, at a later date. This could be really handy if you find the hornet hard to feed and change for a 223 or you just decide you would like a 243 or 308.

[colin lad]

thanks all for the advise remember it is early days yet so i can (like a women) change my mind ha ha,

only saying that as i have just come back from my local gun dealer and after a 3 hour chat (without an offer of a cup of tea) i think he has talked me into getting a .223 for quite a few reasons which sounded right as above learning a new cf calibre and re-loading at the same time. also the choice and availability of guns and ammo i think in the long run it makes sense

 

colin

[kent]

there is a lot of logic in that one, the hornet being somewhat nearer a crossover between the magnum rimfires and the more powerfull .222 and upwards. none the worse for it mind you- just different

[garyb]

Hate to say I told you so...

 

You can always come back to the hornet.

[colin lad]

it done it for me when i got back from gun dealer that about what he said had a look on gun trader there was 14 .22 hornets for sale and 225 .223s for sale so guess what he was saying was right

 

colin

[garyb]

You also won't struggle to source Factory ammo for a 223Rem, where as the Hornet is a reload only tool these days.

 

Factory ammo ranges from £9 - £25 a box of 20 in 223

 

A very good cal - I used to have one before I went 243, and it put the end to many a fox!

[al4x]

He's talked you the right way, you can buy factory ammo from under £40 per 100 if you get a rifle that will shoot Privi and if you reload the costs aren't high anyway. The simple fact is they have a load more clout and such a wide range of ammo on the shelf as well as a wide variety of guns about. I'd keep mine if it wasn't for wanting a gun for deer as well, with the cost of ammo I must confess I'll quite often use it on small vermin and have been moving pigeons off rape this week with mine

[colin lad]

He's talked you the right way, you can buy factory ammo from under £40 per 100 if you get a rifle that will shoot Privi and if you reload the costs aren't high anyway. The simple fact is they have a load more clout and such a wide range of ammo on the shelf as well as a wide variety of guns about. I'd keep mine if it wasn't for wanting a gun for deer as well, with the cost of ammo I must confess I'll quite often use it on small vermin and have been moving pigeons off rape this week with mine

are you selling yours then?? Al4x

 

colin

[al4x]

sure am I would keep it but can't justify a .223 and .243 for what I use it for they are too close. I'll be selling mid month but could hold it if needed, its also one you could try beforehand as I'm not far away and won't be silly money I think about £500 including moderator and mounts etc so all you'd need is a scope and job done. PM me if you want more info

[wymberley]

Hi,

Being somewhat cynical, one has to ask which calibre did the gun dealer have on the shelf? It will be obvious from the posts that the 223 is more popular than the Hornet which will therefore be more difficult to shift. So, if anyone were to darken the door and ask for one and there was one in stock gathering dust, all of a sudden twice as many advantages of owning one would be immediately offered as compared to the 223. Suits you, Sir!

Cheers

[colin lad]

sure am I would keep it but can't justify a .223 and .243 for what I use it for they are too close. I'll be selling mid month but could hold it if needed, its also one you could try beforehand as I'm not far away and won't be silly money I think about £500 including moderator and mounts etc so all you'd need is a scope and job done. PM me if you want more info

will put in for it early in new year if it looks promising i will contact you what sort you got?

 

colin

[colin lad]

if someone can answer this one when i got my 22lr i asked for 500 rounds to buy and 600 to hold,

what sort of amount should i ask for with a .223??

and do i ask for mod as i did with 22lr?

 

colin

[Dekers]

There are a couple of calibres that come readily to mind that are simply not fashionable anymore.

 

The Hornet and the .22WMR, they are both excellent cartridges with many uses and those that still run either, or both, will whole heartedly confirm this.

 

If you are in to reloading the Hornet can be a cracker, sitting really well between the high end .22 rimfires and the more powerful .22 centrefires

Edited December 29, 2010 by Dekers

[markbivvy]

if someone can answer this one when i got my 22lr i asked for 500 rounds to buy and 600 to hold,

what sort of amount should i ask for with a .223??

and do i ask for mod as i did with 22lr?

 

colin

 

ask for the same amounts, they will change it to what suits them anyway.

yes put down for the mod.

[garyb]

Remember... if you are going to reload later that bullets normally come in boxes of 100